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[*]Test Results for the Following:

[*]Ammonia Level? 0

[*]Nitrite Level? 0

[*]Nitrate level? <5

[*]Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)? 7.7

[*]Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)? 7.7

[*]Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? api drops

[*]Water temperature? 80F

[*]Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 10 gallons, since 12/2010

[*]What is the name and size of the filter(s)? top fin HOB 80gph

[*]How often do you change the water and how much? around 10% weekly

[*]How many fish in the tank and their size? 1 male betta, one medium sized mystery snail

[*]What kind of water additives or conditioners? prime

[*]What do you feed your fish and how often? aqueon betta pellets, supposedly about 6 pellets daily over two meals

[*]Any new fish added to the tank? no

[*]Any medications added to the tank? no

[*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? seems very fat and bloat

[*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? nope

A couple weeks ago I noticed that my mother in law's betta looks fat, and I had her fast him for two days. Since she tends to overfeed her dogs, I suspect her to overfeed the fish too, but supposedly he only gets about 3 pellets twice daily.

Today I noticed that he is really fat. He looks like he swallowed a whole pea. He is NOT pineconing, just bloaty. He also behaves normal.

Now what? I am planning on doing a big water change on it. She usually changes a gallon weekly with a big pitcher. And then? I am not quick with meds, but I have MMs and medigold at home, in case he needs something like that.

I can't get a good photo of him, but this looks very similar to him. He is a bit less fat than the fish in this photo http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens5478462_1250784073betta-swimbladder-1.JPG

Edited by Oerba Yun Fang

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I think that's a blockage. But I am not sure.

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Ouch, that big a belly looks stressful. Are you sure he actually was fasted? I fed Psycho a couple of extra bloodworms a few weeks ago and he was huge like that for more than 48 hours! It didn't feel like I fed him loads, just a couple in addition to his daily pellets. I now feed them instead of that days pellets.

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Looks like he's got a blockage caused by the pellets not being soaked prior to feeding. Fasting and peas *should* help but to prevent it happening again, the pellets really need to be soaked. Good luck with him (and the mother in law!) :laugh:

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Phineas got like that before. Fasting followed by frozen daphnia (he wouldn't eat any veggies) did the trick. Good luck!

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Thanks everyone! I will tell her and show her and have her fast him. For how long would you suggest? This looks like it needs more than 1 day. Last time I told her to fast him for 2 days, SUPPOSEDLY she didn't feed him.

Should I feed a piece of pea prior to fasting him, to help him loosen up? It kind of makes me nervous to think of feeding ANYTHING to him.

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I wouldn't feed anything for 2-3days for sure.

Then only light foods. Like peas if they work for him. And SMALL feedings.

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He eats peas. I keep telling her to only feed 2-3 pellets at a time at the most. He's a rather big guy. I honestly think she feeds way too much, even though she denies it. I mean, I see her feeding her 5lb chihuahua almost a cup of dry dog food daily....

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ROfl exactly. Having seen the Chihuahua I am not surprised :o

Insane hubby is so thin! ROFL

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aw, poor guy! :( I hope the fasting works for him!

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One whole cup? I feed that much to my 85lb boxer :o

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He eats peas. I keep telling her to only feed 2-3 pellets at a time at the most. He's a rather big guy. I honestly think she feeds way too much, even though she denies it. I mean, I see her feeding her 5lb chihuahua almost a cup of dry dog food daily....

He's not going to be 5 lbs for too long. At the weight, he should only be having 1/4 to 1/3 of a cup of quality kibble a day.

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He eats peas. I keep telling her to only feed 2-3 pellets at a time at the most. He's a rather big guy. I honestly think she feeds way too much, even though she denies it. I mean, I see her feeding her 5lb chihuahua almost a cup of dry dog food daily....

He's not going to be 5 lbs for too long. At the weight, he should only be having 1/4 to 1/3 of a cup of quality kibble a day.

I know, and it drives me nuts. She went through half of a 15lb bag of Blue Buffalo within not even two weeks and wonders why the dogs are fat. Even though I keep telling her that this food is higher quality and nutrition, she just no finally understood that this food is NOT a low calorie food - which she thought it is.

And of course she whines over the cost of the dog food :doh11:

At least she started feeding the dogs with actual meals. She used to fill their bowls in the morning (and I mean FILL) and had the food available all day long.

Anyway, back to the betta. Seeing how an epsom stuffed pea loosens up goldfish, would that be a good idea for the betta too? Watching him some more he does seem more lethargic than he used to be.

I wrote a gigantic note in sharpie and taped it to the tank LOL No food until Sunday night (that's 3 days), and then I will feed him with peas for 3 days, and then she will get very precise instructions on how to feed him. Hopefully that will help.

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I would think Epsom would be fine here.

I would think Epsom would be fine here.

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3 pellets 2x/day sounds like a lot to me Fang. I used to feed that,but crush the pellets now.1 day I did soak-the crushed 1s-and they get HUGE!!! Ever since I just give them a few of the crushed pieces 1x/day.

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3 pellets 2x/day sounds like a lot to me Fang. I used to feed that,but crush the pellets now.1 day I did soak-the crushed 1s-and they get HUGE!!! Ever since I just give them a few of the crushed pieces 1x/day.

If it really was just a total of 6 pellets a day (those are really tiny granules actually), it would probably be fine. But knowing her, she probably feeds twice the amount...

I feed my own girl 3-4 pellets total daily, and she is perfectly fine. I don't believe that from only 2 more pellets her significantly larger fish would get so "full". I'm gonna have to have a really serious talk with her, maybe showing her photos of a dropsy victim betta or so. Something really nasty looking, to shock her a bit.

Thanks everyone for the input!

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Hope the bloating goes down!

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Alright, so he's fasting for 48 hours now, and I added 1tsp epsom salt to the 10 gallon tank, but I do not see any improvement at all.

Ideas? I am going to move him to my 2.5g, bare, to see if he's pooping. Without filter, but daily w/c and a handful floating plants from his tank. The cycle in his tank should keep going thanks to the mystery snail in there.

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Fang,isn't that too much epsom?

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Fang,isn't that too much epsom?

Isn't it 1/8tsp per gallon? That makes 1tsp per 8 gallons. I was googling for epsom dosage for bettas and found 1/2tsp for a 5 gallon tank.

If that's too much, let me know so I can adjust it!

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I thought it was 1/4 tsp per 10 gallons.

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Yeah, its 1/4th teaspoon per 10 gallons. Every now and then we say that 1/2 teaspoon per 10 gallons is ok for large goldfish.

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Yeah, its 1/4th teaspoon per 10 gallons. Every now and then we say that 1/2 teaspoon per 10 gallons is ok for large goldfish.

Gotcha. Doing a w/c now! :)

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No! It's 1/8 tsp per 5 gallons! And that 's for gf-don't know if it should be even less for bettas-given they can only tolerate less of aq. salt.

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No! It's 1/8 tsp per 5 gallons! And that 's for gf-don't know if it should be even less for bettas-given they can only tolerate less of aq. salt.

I know, I had already mixed his water 50:50 with fresh water when transferring him to the 2.5g when I saw your comment about the too much epsom. After the additional 50% w/c just now after reading ashlee's post, I am at 1/8tsp / 5g (1/4tsp / 10g). :)

I keep googling for bettas and epsom salt right now to see if there are some specific epsom instructions for bettas. The D&D posts on Ultimate Bettas.com say 1tsp per 10gallons, and to actually even go up to 2 tsp per 10 gallons the next day. This all really confuses me. :lol

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