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Common Goldfish female big belly related to Spring or something else?

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Test Results for the Following:

* Ammonia Level 0

* Nitrite Level 0

* Nitrate level between 0 and 5.0 warm yellow not lemon yellow

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8.8 dark purple (High range Ph)

* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

Other Required Info:

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Freshwater Master Kit drops.

* Water temperature?

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 75 Gals, since late summer 2010

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? 1 Ehmein ecco comfort filter, 1 bigger Ehmein ecco pro filter.

* How often do you change the water and how much? Once a week.

Last nite Mr Goldone added fresh coral to one of our filters.

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? On Sunday night, we are now thursday afternoon.

* How many fish in the tank and their size? 3 common goldfishes, 6 inches female (our patient) 2 4 inches, one silver presumed female and one gold undetermined gender but very feisty.

* What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime

* What do you feed your fish and how often? Peas once a day

* Any new fish added to the tank? No

* Any medications added to the tank? No

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

For the conditions below we have used salt, then prazi.

Big Goldfish Girl jumped 2 times out of her tank in two different locations.

The fist time was from her former 50 gallon tank (It was shared by Silver Goldfish Girl who didn't jump)

The second time was from her present 75 gallon tank (It was shared by Silver Goldfish Girl and Baby Goldfish who didn't jump)

She spawned eggs at least 2 times, she was bumped by the others but no milt was ever produced, the eggs were eaten by the two other fishes, the last time. Prior time(s), only the middle fish (Silver Golfish Girl) when the baby was a fry.

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

She had the bloody streaks several times and we took action and it stopped.

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

All our Golfishes love love love love to eat.

For the past two or 3 nights, after eating Big Goldfish Girl has been swimming head down.

She also has been staying chin on the bottom of the tank more often resulting in a red streaked chin which is not present today.

She is still putting her chin down the tank floor and has an arched look.

I (Mrs Goldone) only do water tests and salt treatments if they are needed during the day.

Goldone, the Mr, does water changes, treatments, hospital tank setups in the evenings and during weekends.

We wonder if feeding our goldfishes once a day is too much.

Due to Big Goldfish Girl sensitivity, we have only fed everybody warmed up organic peas.

I also gave them a little bit of organic lettuce torn in tiny tiny pieces.

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First thing I noticed is the ph being REALY high... What is the ph out of the tap?

Also if you could get a video or photos for me :)

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You feed only peas? They need protein too.

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Peas are a good source of protein, but they aren't a complete diet. Goldfish in ponds or in the wild eat a wide variety of foods -- algae, plant leaves, stems and roots, bugs, worms, tadpoles, smaller fish, etc. Can you get duckweed to feed them? That seems to be closest to a complete single food.

That pH is pushing the recommended upper limit of 9.

How much water do you replace in those weekly water changes?

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As the others have said, would you please check the tap parameters, including finding out the alkalinity. A pH of 8.8 is really too high, and I suspect is the reason for the jumping.

Also, instead of feeding just peas, I would recommend making a gel mix of veggies only to feed your fish.

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Mrs Goldone again.

Well, we used to feed them commercial Tetrafin food but after Big Gold Fish Girl sensitivity, we started feeding her peas and of course the others as well, I also gave them a little bit of lettuce.

I just found out Petsmart has more food now, including the San Francisco Bay Brand.

Most of the tank water is replaced, just enough left for the fish to be comfortable in it.

It is the first time I have seen the Ph that high. You guys have to tell me how to check for alkalinity, because I don't know how.

I am allergic to the stuff in the test drop, Mr Goldone is going have to do it as well as helping me download the pictures.

I should have asked for help earlier, my poor baby. :(

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I think the with older fish, you are better making them food, so that you can have complete control of what goes in there.

There are kits that measure kH and gH. However, you could also find this out simply by calling your water utility. Ask them about alkalinity and general hardness. They should know, because these are parameters they are required to check frequently.

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Cannot edit previous post, so current tank Ph is 8.2 but the tap is 8.8.

Mr Goldone confirmed that the Ph has never, ever been that high in any of our tap water. But being in the midwest, we don't know what the stupids are doing with our water.

We do not have an alkalinity test, something to get next shopping trip.

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I can't access the pics :(

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Cannot edit previous post, so current tank Ph is 8.2 but the tap is 8.8.

Mr Goldone confirmed that the Ph has never, ever been that high in any of our tap water. But being in the midwest, we don't know what the stupids are doing with our water.

We do not have an alkalinity test, something to get next shopping trip.

Is there a way you could do a test for me.... I want to see what would happen if you set a jug of tap water and an air stone in it. test it first then in 24 hours. I want to see if your ph moves on its own. :thumb:

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Mrs Goldone here, Koko were you able to access the pictures?

I can sit the water for 24 hours. And test at each end.

The pressure from the pump has been lowered considerably and the water level is 4 inches lower than the top of the tank.

The 3 Goldfish had a good nite sleep and day nap. It is possible for us to have very low light, even during the day, in the vicinity of the tank.

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I cannot access pics as well, would you mind posting them again? :)

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mrs Goldone again.

I saw something that looked like the eggs Big Goldfish Girl made in the prior years when I checked everybody thoroughly.

A little afterward, Baby Goldfish which is dark orange but has no outward signs of a breeding male went after her, it was a move that Silver Goldfish and Baby have been making any time Big Goldfish Girl has been full of eggs.

That moves usually results in egg release and protein eating for all 3.

This year, that is not working. It might have to do with the weird weather we had, summer temperatures in winter, a tiny bout of cold winter weather last week that warms up then cool down and so on, week after weeks.

I wanted to take more pictures but the camera decided not to cooperate. I will move the prior one to another place.

If that doesn't work, I don't know.

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Big Golfish Girl has been moved to her own 50 gallons tank with a heater and a teaspoon of Epsom salt was added.

She is contorting like she is ready to spawn.

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Good luck! Let us know how it goes.

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I just read that green bean might be more helpful that peas for constipation. Would frozen ones be ok?

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My Big Baby Goldfish Girl is feeling better!

Yeah! She gave hand kisses to Mr Goldone.

We added another heater because the other one was not doing that good.

What and when would you feed her next?

Or just fasting?

PS: realized that the post about feeding for constipation was on the wrong thread and moved it but get an error message when I try to edit any post.

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I just read that green bean might be more helpful that peas for constipation. Would frozen ones be ok?

I know you indicated that you put this in the wrong thread, but I'll answer anyway. I use canned ones, but I imagine frozen, no sodium, green beans should be fine as well :)

My Big Baby Goldfish Girl is feeling better!

What and when would you feed her next?

Or just fasting?

Yay! I'm glad she's feeling better. :)

When did she last eat? Has she released any eggs?

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Sorry for the late response.

Some light white stuff came out this morning, she was fed midday one pea which she digested normally, he belly is much better looking.

Next batch is going to be green beans then peas.

Middle and Baby Goldfish is the big tank are on pea and protein flakes.

Next stop is the petstore for a more varied diet for Middle and Baby Goldfish the youngest.

Gradual introduction of mixed vegies then the most digestible protein for Big Goldfish Girl who looks very happy by herself in her heated tank.

If you could point to the most digestible protein for her, I would be grateful. :)

Mrs Goldone

Again thousands, billions of thank yous! :)

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If you could point to the most digestible protein for her, I would be grateful. :)

Wheat germ :)

You could either buy this (toasted or raw) and made gel food, or Hikari makes wheat germ pellets.

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can you guys take another look, there is a bulge near her anal fin, you can't really see it here.

maybe she is egg bound.http://www.flickr.com/photos/aliber4079/7306091782/

<a href=" fishy title="fishy by zoosmart, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7236/7306091782_313eca98c8.jpg" width="500" height="337" alt="fishy"></a>

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That bulge is indicative to me of internal worms, and the fish may need de-worming. Could you see if any of your LFSs carry Jungle antiparasite medicated food? If not, I can show you how to make a de-worming gel food.

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That bulge is indicative to me of internal worms, and the fish may need de-worming. Could you see if any of your LFSs carry Jungle antiparasite medicated food? If not, I can show you how to make a de-worming gel food.

Thanks so much can you show us how to make de-worming gel food?

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