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White Marks on Fin - NOT Ich


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I have two 3-4 inch oranda goldfish for a year now. My red and white oranda is fine, has no problems. My gold oranda, however, has a few white marks along the edge of her caudal fin. It is NOT ich, but looks more bacterial or fungal. I have been treating with pimafix, melafix, and added salt to the tank for about 4 days now, and while it hasn't gotten any worse, it really hasn't decreased either. Otherwise, she acts, eats, and looks fine. I am not sure what brought it up or what it is, but I was hoping for some treatment advice. I have the fish separated with a tank divider since the red/white oranda can be very aggressive towards her.

Also, unrelated, but the gold oranda also 'nose dives.' I tried looking up what that could be, but can't find anything. She has always done this and I have treated both fish a couple months ago for parasites, to be safe, since I suspected flukes. Is this a behavioral thing or possibly something else? The red/white Oranda doesn't do this. The gold oranda is also kind of stupid overall, if that helps... lol

Tank Set Up:

29 Gal

1 AquaClear 50

1 AquaTech 20-40

1 Fusion Air Pump 500

Water Stats from API Freshwater Master Kit:

7.5 pH

0 Amm

0 Nitrites

20 Nitrates

20-25% Weekly water change w/ added Prime and Easy Balance

I feed them 2x daily, small amounts of Omega One flakes (primarily), TetraFin Color Enhancing Pellets (occasionally), and Tetra Dried Shrimp (daily).

- I think I am going to switch feeding them to every other day.

Note: THIS IS NOT MY FISH, but it looks EXACTLY what my fish has (and I can't get a decent picture myself)

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Please help me out, I am so tired of fighting this kind of thing with my fish. I feel like it's a never ending battle.

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I think it may be a good idea for the next 7 days that you treat with salt at 0.2% and make 70% daily water changes. It may be that there is a mild bacteria in your tank. Do you have gravel? If so, do you vacuum it well with every water change? How about hollow ornaments? Are there any in the tank?

We as a norm do minimum 60% weekly water changes to our Goldie tanks as they are very messy. This could be one reason why your fish is experiencing this problem.

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Can you post a timeline of treatments, including the name of the med, and treatment time? Thank you. Hopefully we can get this sorted :)

If you meant for the current issue: Pimafix, Melafix, and aquarium salt for 4 days.

If you meant the nose diving, I used Jungle Parasite Clear for 2 weeks about 2 months ago, and once used Ich Rid Plus about 6 months ago (I don't remember how long, but at least for the full time the bottle says.) She doesn't display any other symptoms for gill flukes/parasites besides nose diving, so I'm not sure what it means. And it's only her, not my other oranda.

I think it may be a good idea for the next 7 days that you treat with salt at 0.2% and make 70% daily water changes. It may be that there is a mild bacteria in your tank. Do you have gravel? If so, do you vacuum it well with every water change? How about hollow ornaments? Are there any in the tank?

We as a norm do minimum 60% weekly water changes to our Goldie tanks as they are very messy. This could be one reason why your fish is experiencing this problem.

So for 0.2%, that's 2 tblsp for every 5 Gal, correct? I have currently been using the aquarium salt instructions at 1 tblsp per 5 gal, which I imagine is 0.1%.

The tank floor is almost bare except for a handful of the decorative glass aquarium marbles/gems (whatever they are) added for prettiness.

I have a combo of some green and brown algae/diatoms growing in the tank, so I scrub the ornaments about every 2-3 weeks and I'll rinse the filters out too (with dechlorinated water to not kill the good bacteria.) I always gravel vac the bottom very well, especially in popular resting/poop spots, and wipe away the algae I see. They only have 2 ornaments (one for each) to hide in and 2 fake plants.

My red/white oranda has had very few problems and is really hearty (once he had mild tail rot, which cleared quickly,) but my gold oranda seems very susceptible to everything! I have done so much head banging with her with the amount of time, care, and money invested to try and keep her healthy and happy. I think she's one of those 'special fish.'

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I just tested my tap water for kicks and it read 8.0 for pH and 1ppm for Ammonia! However even after I did a 60% water change (still adding 1 tblsp /5Gal), I tested the tank water and it still reads 7.5 for pH and up between 0.25-0.5 for ammonia, so I don't think it's shocking them (it'll be down to normal by tomorrow). I didn't realize my tap water was so messed up! Sheesh. I have always used tap water for their tank, but it never occurred to me to actually *test* it. I always treat my tank water with a full dose for 30g al of Prime after a water change though.

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Your cycle should easily take care of it. :) The standard dose of prime detoxifies 1ppm ammonia. Then your cycle takes care of this ammonia, as is proven by the fact that right after the water change, the tank ammonia level is about halfed, since the new tap water gets diluted by tank water.

You could make it even safer by choosing water change day as fasting day. That way there won't be additional ammonia from fish waste, but only what comes in from the tap. The cycle will then only have the tap ammonia to feed on. :)

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I noticed today the white marks on her caudal fin have spread a little. At first I noticed she only had 2 marks on one fin and 1 mark on the other. Now it's more like 3 and 2.

Any suggestions????

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I gave her some Jungle Antibacterial Medicated Food I have on hand, and it seems to be helping. She's only been on it since yesterday morning, but it seems to be clearing up a bit. I wanted to avoid that since they can build a resistance to the medication, but since she was getting worse, I figured it's better than nothing.

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