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well so about a month or so ago i bought 2 fancy goldies from wally world and 2 feeders from a petstore dropped them all in my cycling 80 gallon and treated with salt the feeders are doing great but within a few days both fancies took to the bottom then died well then i got me a bottle of prazipro in the mail and treated with that after i brought home a new little fantail again from wallyworld (i know i know but theres very litte places to get goldies around here!) it was doing nicely and i treated with salt and prazipro for 5 days before it began bottom sitting then died :/

here are my tank prams:


    Test Results for the Following:
  • * Ammonia Level-0
  • * Nitrite Level-0
  • * Nitrate level-11
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) -7.9
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)-must be 7.9 cause i dont add any buffers
    Other Required Info:
  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?-drops apperatnyl hagen nutrafin
  • * Water temperature?- 76
  • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?-80 gallons had to re-start it been about...uhm 4 months now?
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?-2 emperior biowheels and a whisper 30
  • * How often do you change the water and how much?-ive been doing 100 percent water changes twice per week

  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?=100 percent 2 days ago
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?-right now 2 biggest one is about an inch and a half smaller one is half an inch?
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?-jungle start right
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?- twice a day homemade gel food
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?-there all new really
  • * Any medications added to the tank?-salt and prazi
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?-none
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?- the 3 who died bottom sat for a day or two then died.

i know i really shouldnt get wally world fish but like i said fancys are very hard to find in the local petstores ive been looking for a nice fancy for close to a year now from the local stores with nothing i even asked them to order me a calico tele before i had to sterilize my tank think they have yet? NO i dunno perhapes i will jsut stick with these two feeders for the time being they are growing like mad and doing so good.

but can anyone tell me why these fish may have died if if theres anything i should do? (other then the obvious of not buying from wally world anymore) i mean the first 2 i figured alright there were from wally world but then the third to? they were very active when i got them then all of a sudden BAM bottom sitting then BAM dead.

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I think for now, you shouldn't add any more fish to the tank, just to be safe. During QT it's best to not introduce new fish because you run the risk of bringing in new pathogens and essentially starting the process all over again.

As for what killed the fish, that's hard to say. Did you notice anything else besides the bottom sitting?

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You should still test your tap water pH just in case. Not using a buffer does NOT mean that your tank and tap pH are the same. The pH can still rise or drop in the tank.

I find nitrate of 11 very high. You have only 1.5 inches of goldfish TOTAL in an 80 gallon tank with 100% water changes twice weekly.

I have 20+ inches body length in a 55 gallon tank and my nitrate only goes to 20ppm when I do only one 85% water change weekly.

I think you know where this is going.

I know that Walmart's fish are not the greatest quality, but interestingly all of the ones I bought and QT properly, still live. You need to pick ones that look very healthy and active, no clamped fins, not being droopy, healthy fins, no injuries etc.

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You should still test your tap water pH just in case. Not using a buffer does NOT mean that your tank and tap pH are the same. The pH can still rise or drop in the tank.

ok i will make sure and do that

I find nitrate of 11 very high. You have only 1.5 inches of goldfish TOTAL in an 80 gallon tank with 100% water changes twice weekly.

I have 20+ inches body length in a 55 gallon tank and my nitrate only goes to 20ppm when I do only one 85% water change weekly.

I think you know where this is going.

normally when the tank is cycled its only at 7 that was the reading before i did the water change.

and uhm...no im not quite sure where thats going :oops: that i should not have fish?

I know that Walmart's fish are not the greatest quality, but interestingly all of the ones I bought and QT properly, still live. You need to pick ones that look very healthy and active, no clamped fins, not being droopy, healthy fins, no injuries etc.

well the only one i was worried about bring home was the black and orange tele as it seemed a bit lathargic buti t had no wounds or nothing and once it was in the tank it went nuts happily swimming every which way so i felt better about it the oranda was active,no clamped fins,no white spots,no missing scales,no torn fins no white fungus or slime or nothing same with the little fan tail very active,and happy.

and im going to set up my 20 gallon QT tank again since these guys have already gone thru a QT so to speak.

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No, I mean that something in your tank is causing high nitrate, when with only few fish there are "such high" nitrates. Do you have something stuck in your filter? Filter intake? Gunk at the bottom of the filter or so? A piece of dead plant material?

You said you changed 100% of the water 2 days ago. So that means that 1.5 inches of fish in an 80 gallon tank caused 11ppm nitrate within 48 hours. That is a lot!

Do you have nitrates in your tap water?

normally when the tank is cycled its only at 7

Uhhh what? :hmm The cycle's end product are the nitrates. As far as I remember, a fully cycled tank will give you the highest nitrate reading.

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I am going to make a separate thread about this, but I also would like to comment here as well.

I think that it's an extremely bad idea to house new fish in your main tank, especially if you are starting things over. The QT serves multiple purposes: 1) observe for sick fish, 2) treat if necessary, and 3) to get rid of all the contaminating pathogens through successive water changes.

All three are equally important, so that by the time you move the fish over to your main tank, you are reasonably assured you are bringing over disease-free fish to the main. If you use the main tank as a QT, then it is entirely possible that whatever bug that had caused problems will linger there for years to come, even after you've successfully treated the fish for the problem.

I really think the best thing to do is once again to decontaminate the big tank, cycle fishlessly, and move these fish over to a QT. I know it's a lot of work, but it will pay off in the long run.

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No, I mean that something in your tank is causing high nitrate, when with only few fish there are "such high" nitrates. Do you have something stuck in your filter? Filter intake? Gunk at the bottom of the filter or so? A piece of dead plant material?

You said you changed 100% of the water 2 days ago. So that means that 1.5 inches of fish in an 80 gallon tank caused 11ppm nitrate within 48 hours. That is a lot!

Do you have nitrates in your tap water?

normally when the tank is cycled its only at 7

Uhhh what? :hmm The cycle's end product are the nitrates. As far as I remember, a fully cycled tank will give you the highest nitrate reading.

I think she means when the tank is cycled and getting regular water changes, the nitrates are around 7?

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yes chrissy thats what i mean it seems since the tank has been cycling ive been getting readings of 11 for the nitrates when my tanks was fully cycled before and i was doing weekly water changes of 90 percent i only had readings of 7 nitrates.

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I am going to make a separate thread about this, but I also would like to comment here as well.

I think that it's an extremely bad idea to house new fish in your main tank, especially if you are starting things over. The QT serves multiple purposes: 1) observe for sick fish, 2) treat if necessary, and 3) to get rid of all the contaminating pathogens through successive water changes.

All three are equally important, so that by the time you move the fish over to your main tank, you are reasonably assured you are bringing over disease-free fish to the main. If you use the main tank as a QT, then it is entirely possible that whatever bug that had caused problems will linger there for years to come, even after you've successfully treated the fish for the problem.

I really think the best thing to do is once again to decontaminate the big tank, cycle fishlessly, and move these fish over to a QT. I know it's a lot of work, but it will pay off in the long run.

yey.....why the heck didnt i think about the fact that i could pick up another fish with a bacterial "nasty"?? i kept thinking "well if theres any parasite i can treat it and if theres any more bacterial infections i have the metro meds to treat it so ill be ok putting htem all in the main tank since its brand new anyways"

good greif im a moron :thud

well i guess im no stranger to steralizing this big ole' thing

BUT will a common goldy be ok in a 20 gallon for a month or two or more while the big tank cycles i have 2 20 gallons i can set up one will unfortunatly be underfilterd but if i put the smaller of the two goldies in there and do tha obvious daily water changes will it be ok you think then put the larger of the two in the little over filterd tank?

sigh i really do feel like such an @55 right now here i htought i was oh so clever when i think i was really jsut trying to justify getting some new fish...

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Charity, please don't beat yourself up. These things happen, and that's why we have a community here to discuss on ways to keep our fish. To be honest, I've only been thinking about these issues, because I am having to worry about past incidence of dropsy and in my tank and what that ultimately will mean for me.

I think that since the single tail is still quite small, being in a 20 gallon is not at all an issue. :)

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thanks hopefully i can keep theese two from stunting the smaller of the two is growing so quickly its amazing i would love for these two to get big and gorgeous!

my biggest downfall is going to the pet stores and wally world i cant avoid them i go atleast 3 times a month.

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