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Lethargic oranda, sometimes lying on his side


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    Test Results for the Following:
  • * Ammonia Level 0
  • * Nitrite Level 0
  • * Nitrate level 0
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 0
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    Other Required Info:
  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API drops
  • * Water temperature don't know
  • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 152 L
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Fluval 350
  • * How often do you change the water and how much? 50-75% once per week

  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 5 days ago
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 2 fish Ranchu appox 15cm, oranda approx 15cm
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? blue water salts and prime
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? twice per day, Hikari lionhead and 4 peas in the evening
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? no
  • * Any medications added to the tank? no
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. nil
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? no
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? long periods staying at bottom in the corner, quite lethargic, sometimes looking like he's dying on his side, appears to be gulping alot more when he's swimming only gulps under the water NOT at the top

Hi guys very concerned about my oranda, I first noticed about 3 months ago weeks his behavior had changed from the perky happy fish he once was, at times during the day he would stay in the corner of the tank I had a feeling he wasn't well, but then the next day he would perk up, swim around like nothing was wrong, water changes always perked him up and he's been eating well.

Over the last few days however his "decline" has been more obvious, his is more lethargic and I have seen him almost on his side in the corner, as soon as he sees me he perks up goes for a little swim for 30 secs or so then rests again for long periods.

There is no external evidence there is anything wrong, no spots marks etc, the water quality is good, I have spoken to a very reputable aquarium/fish shop, and the guy there suggested maybe his tummy is upset and that I soak his food in garlic juice.

I haven't feed my fish this morning, he had pea soaked in garlic water last night, but didn't touch his pellets yesterday morning, maybe he's constipated? My ranchu gives his little nudges as if to say "come on let's swim"

I am very concered any ideas greatly appreciated!

Thanks

K

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No never treated for flukes, he's become alot worse in the last few hours on his side alot I think he's dying then he perks up and swims around, this is very stressful :(

I guess I'll get down to the aquarium shop this afternoon and get the appropriate medication.

Do I treat both of them? I'll read how to treat for flukes now.

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Yes, I would treat for both. It's also helpful to have 0.1% salt in with the flukes treatment. There are two links in my sig on how to salt. Please post back when you have the prazi and we can help further :)

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Hey thanks for the info, I went to the local aquarium and they didn't have ANY TREATMENT FOR PARASITES!

I usually go to a specialist aquarium shop but they're not open till Wed.

Can I go ahead with the salt treatment and add the Prazzi later?

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Hi guys, I've got the Praziquantel and will be starting treatment today.

This will be my procedure

1 Check water conditions

2 Remove charcoal from filter

3 Salt tank at 1 teaspoon of sea salt per liter

4 Follow directions on medication and repeat dosage in 7 days

I will be treating both fish although Arki (the ranchu) appears ok

Any advice or suggestions appreciated before I start

I thought I should add this video of Mr Boof head.

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He will spend most of the day in this corner (on his side at times) and go for periodical swims, he always seems to "gulp" alot more than usual as well.

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Thanks for that dnalex :D

There's appox 31 gallons in the tank (usually 40 gallon tank but not filled to the top) so that's 31 teaspoons of salt

Just looked at the expiry date on the treatment and it expired in November 2011 (sigh)!!

Still might be ok

I'll go ahead anyway, and take the medication back and ask for a new batch for the repeat treatment

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Mr Boff Head HASN'T been in the corner all afternoon/night and appears to have a lot more pep!

YAY!!!!! :clapping:

There is currently a very thin brownish 10 cm long "poop" with a thicker whitish end.

It is very gross and I'm wondering could this be some kind of worm?

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They've both slowed down alot this morning hardly morning just re-salted the tank.

I have no plants in the tank, gotta go to work will check water when I get home

Thanks Chrissy

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Hi guys, so I get home from work and both my fish are incredibly sad looking and then I saw it.........this 15cm long white clear stringy thing in the tank.

SO I PANICKED :krazy:

I didn't check the water for nitrates and immediately did a 80% water change and put back the carbon.

I thought my oranda was pooing his insides out (I am soooo scientific) I realise that what I was looking at could have been a tape worm?, and perhaps the prazi and salt was doing it's thing, I did a bit of research and it looked very similar to this-

http://www.kokosgold...66-white-stool/

Now in my calmer state I realise I should have taken a pic of the long white stingy thing, left the prazi in for another 20 hours and do one more salt.

The good news is that Mr Boff head appears back to his fine self, and I intend on repeating the treatment for its FULL COURSE should I see his symptoms return

Thanks for your advice, I really appreciate it

Hopefully you won't hear from me on this topic again

Merry Fishmas

x

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I can understand why you got a scare! I would repeat the treatment anyway (at least the prazi). It won't hurt, and better to be sure all the parasites are gone.

I agree 100%. I would say that it is necessary to repeat treatment right away, since one truncated treatment is unlikely going to get rid of all the flukes. I would treat again, and do at least 3 more rounds.

Glad they are doing well :)

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Great that the prazi is working and perhaps expelling worms! :o i'll move this into diagnosis as it no longer sounds like an emergency , however please post back in this same thread if anything more comes up with your fish or you need to discuss anything else at all! :)

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Hi Guys, I have come back to this thread because I have noticed again something again is wrong now with both my fish that may be related to my earlier posts.

My water parameters are good the only thing I have added is to the tank are some new plants in the last month and started to feed them small amounts of ground up spirulina tablets .

I returned from one week holiday, and had a friend feeding my fish only a couple of peas a night as I wanted to keep the water in good condition whilst I was away.

I came back to find my lovely ranchu has sore looking red open lesions, with raised red "blood sores" just before his tail starts, there is also red blotchy discoloration on parts of his body also very gross small "circular cysts/holes" with white puss/wormy things coming out of them, the white wormy things appear get a bit longer then eventually fall off, I have noticed this also on my ornanda's wen but he is free of lesions

I did not follow up on a 2nd prazzi treatment, when I had issues a few months ago :( I am a bad fishy mum

This is not the first time I've gone away for a bit of a holiday and come back to sick fishies!

Fancies are HARD WORK!!

Any advice appreciated

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Impossible to get a photo!

There are pimples/cysts popping up everywhere on his body now, they eventually burst and when they do out comes a single small white worm like thing.

I did some research and although the symptoms are very similar to anchor worm, the "worm" hasn't got an anchor head so to speak (or maybe I can't see it with the naked eye).

He's looking very sore at the base of his tail there is quite a wound poor fella :(

The other thing I have noticed is that the my other fish is sucking at his body like he's trying to remove the white worms or he thinks it's food.

Otherwise both fish are eating and lively.

I just did a 70% water change removed the carbon and have added anti parasitic tablets.

I will do a repeat in 5 days, then another after that.

Should I stop feeding for a while?

How will I know when I have killed the adult?

Any other suggestions appreciated

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Yes, it does sound like anchor worms, which despite its name, is actually a copepod crustacean. I don't know that the usual anti parasite treatments will help. Will you look for a medication called Anchors Away, which contains the active ingredient dimilin.

Let us know if you are able to find it.

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Thanks dnalex

In live in Australia I've used a product called PARA-GONE

Active constitutes - Each tablet contains

32mg of trichlofon

(An anticholinesterase compound)

I will see if I can find dimilin.

Should I salt?

Add more prime?

Treat the wound?

Pull out the worms?

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I just checked, and trichlorfon should be ok for lerneae/anchor worm treatment. Make sure to follow the directions.

I think it would be helpful to have 0.1% salt in there. Salt is compatible with trichlorfon. You could also pick off individual anchor worms with a pair of tweezers.

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