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  • * Ammonia Level
  • 0
  • * Nitrite Level
  • 0
  • * Nitrate level
  • 0 to 5
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
  • 7.5
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
  • 8.5
    Other Required Info:
  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
  • API drops
  • * Water temperature?
  • Not sure, but we keep the air at 76f
  • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
  • 55 gallons, maybe 4 years
  • * What is the name and "size of the filters"
  • 2- Penguin Biowheel 350's, a large sponge filter, and a bubble wand.
  • * How often do you change the water and how much?
  • once a week at 50% or more

  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • I just changed it today
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • 4 total- 2 telescopes 1 inch and 2 Oranda 2.5 inches not including tails
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • prime
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • peas, organic lettuce, omega one pellets, aqueon flakes, tetra Nature gel mix with bloodworms, frozen emerald entree, peeled grapes, orange slices.
  • Once a day.
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • Yes, all fish died but one. 2 telescopes are new and one oranda
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • 3% salt
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.,
  • I had 4 fish on the tank,one died of dropsy, one had swim bladder problems, died of dropsy, the other was a mystery death, no signs of anything.Kept treating with salt and melafix. One remaining fish so I decided to start over. Bought 2 telescopes and a week later another oranda.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • Not sure. This fish was blue, but turned into a calico, i think. There's some red color where the blue is fading at the end of the tail, and there is some red on the wen. I'm not sure if this is normal or not.
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?
  • I just took about 12 gallons of water out, the fish was hanging at the top. I added the prime and replaced the water, and the fish seemed to go into shock. I added another 10 tablespoons of salt.

I'm beginning to believe goldfish are just not made for Florida. I keep having fish dying in my Goldfish tank. I have angelfish in a 29 gallon tank that are just fine.

I had 4 goldfish in this 55 gallon tank for 6 months. One always had swim bladder problems. Then one ended up getting dropsy and died. Another one mysteriously died, no symptoms. I had a spike in Nitrates before the mysterious death, and I attributed it to not squeezing out the sponge filter. I did massive water changes at this point. a month later the swim bladder fish got dropsy and died. So I had an Oranda left and decided to start over. October 11 I got two 1 inch telescopes, and a week later a 2.5 inch oranda. With one original fish left a quarantine was pointless. I figured I would just treat them all with salt and melafix, then for flukes, and then with anchors away.

So I have an Original Oranda "Chubby Cheeker", New Oranda " Boy Blue ", an orange telescope, and a black telescope. So I started with salt and mela fix. Boy Blue came with a little fin rot. Next thing I know the orange telescope has a white pimple near his tail, and some fin rot on the dorsal fin. Then Boy Blue's tail is disintegrating fast, and has a clamped fin. So on Friday I set up the 10 gallon. I took one of the penguin filters off the 55 gallon. I put the 3% salt mixture in there along with marcyn and marcyn2. I put Boy Blue and the orange telescope in there together. The orange telescope's pimple has disappeared and boy blue is looking much more active, although it will take time for half the tail to grow back. Today I will put the last two packets into their tank. so the treatment will be over on Wednesday.

I think there is definitely something bacterial going on. I did 12 gallon water change on the 55 gallon and chubby cheekers went into shock or something during and after the water change. I added the 12 tablespoons of salt to bring back to 3%. She was laying on the plants and then got stuck to the filter. So I put her in a breeder basket. She has some red on the wen and on the tail but I'm not sure if this is normal or not. I will try to upload some pictures. I don't know what to do.

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Hello Rita. I'm really sorry to hear about all this. It's bad enough losing 3 of your older fish but then when your new fish start to get sick too, that is frustrating.

It's mainly Chubby Cheeker you are concerned about right? He is the original oranda that went into shock and is gasping at the top now? The other new fish seem to be doing all right except for the pimple..behavior wise? Eating well? Solid poops not wispy?

It sounds like something nasty was blooming in your tank, either under ornaments or in the filter somewhere and some of that is still around although to a lesser degree. I expect your survivor oranda has been weakened a lot (since whatever it was, was strong enough to kill his 3 companions) but is also not completely better.

Were you able to do a massive clean out of the tank before adding the new fish. It isn't too late to do that. Since you have a healthy tropical tank it would be easy to then kick start a new cycle using some media from there. It is one idea.

If you are using the Maracyns together, you may also see a cycle bump...some nitrite tweaks maybe...and those meds are light sensitive so should be used in the dark or with dim light to be effective. Be careful too about using salt with them since salt and/or high gH makes them ineffective because tetracyline binds with calcium and magnesium making them inactive. I suggest you finish the treatment of antibiotics minus the salt.

I would definitely think about throwing all the media in one filter and replacing it with new plus some from your trop tank. And repeating that on the other filter after a few weeks of monitoring the water to see how strong the cycle is..

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Yes I'm concerned about chubby cheeker, she's in a breeder basket in the 55 gallon with the black telescope. There is only salt in there.

The other two are in the 10 gallon with the salt, maracyn and marcyn2. They are doing better.

Did you see the pictures?

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Yes i just looked now. Curious. Almost looks like color change yet that blood red is not a usual color!

How many weeks ago exactly did you get him and did he have that black ammonia burn on his tail tips when you bought him?

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That is Chubby cheeker the original. She was a blue fish when i got her.

That was her original color

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Oh okay. Can you tell us a little more about what and how the fish that were with Chubby died of? The symptoms? Did any of them have small pimples like one of the new fish developed?

Is she eating well?

Your pH drops down in the tank from 8.5 to 7.5? That may contribute to the shock at water changes and lots of smaller changes may be best while she is weak.

I hope others will comment on if that red in the tail is color or blood.

The small red spot on her wen looks more like a blood spot to me.

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The first fish that died had red spots, bottom sat under an ornament, the fins started to fray and then pineconed.

The second fish that died I came from the same purchase with chubby cheeker. They were tank mates in the store.

That one had no symptoms. Looked completely healthy, it was a mysterious death.

The third one I had for at least two or three years. That fish when i bought it came with anchor worm. I treated the tank with

anchors away. Then i did a treatment of prazi pro for flukes. She was good for a long time. with in the past year she was suffering from

swim bladder. I didn't see any unusual findings on her. One day recently she just pineconed and died.

Chubby cheeker is a good eater. I fed them about 3 hours before i did the water change. I put three soaked Omega pellets for the two of

them in that tank. I wonder if that has something to do with it.It's 2 pm here now I just let her out of the breeder basket. She seems to be acting

kind of normal for now.

The ph in the tank is always 7.5 even after a water change. According to the api drops. I probably should invest in a digital ph reader.

This 12 gallon water change is a small water change for that tank. I usually pull out and replace way more.

This fish was acting strange before i put the water back. One thing i did do different this time was that i pulled out all the plastic plants before

I emptied the water. I usually wait til the water gets lower to pull those out.

Tomorrow night the other two fish are ready to come out of the 10 gallon.I should probably remove the meds from the 10 gallon with carbon for

a day or two and then transfer Chubby cheeker to the 10 gallon?

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I think so yes.

I'm glad to hear Chubby seems a little better today. Maybe he is going to fight back and be okay. The fact that he is eating well and not bottom sitting is good news.

I wonder if those plastic plants may be leaching some PCBs (plastic resins). Over time they can leach tiny amounts and irritate the slimecoat making the fish more vulnerable. If he seemed better after removing those, it could be related maybe? If you pulled them out before the w/c slightly more residue in the water would be removed...it's only small amounts probably but when a fish is weak any small thing in the water can irritate.

Those sudden deaths with few symptoms mean that the culprit bad bacteria or micro organism has got inside the fish and damaged the organs inside usually. The small red spots can also be bacterial attacks. BUT, if the fish is in a low stress environment he can often fight off small amounts of bacterial attack.

The pH sounds stable :)

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Actually Chubby Cheeker started with strange floaty behavior after I removed the plants. The plastic plants are new. Once a week I soak them in hot water and bleach. then I soak them in plain water and rinse rinse rinse. And last I soak them in de chlorinated water before I put them back and I make sure they don't smell like bleach.

Today i removed the 2 fish from the 10 gallon tank. I filled two media bags with carbon. I plan to run this for 2 days. Which brings me to Friday night. I'll do a 100% water change. Then add Chubby on Saturday. Do the same Maracyn and Maracyn2 treatment as I did the other 2 for 5 days? It seemed to do well for them. It took

the white pimple on the orange telescope. And Mr Blue's

Fins what is left of them are no longer red. And he's hungry and active. There was 3% salt in there too.

The only fish that has no signs of anything is the black telescope. And ironically those normally don't last long in my tanks ever. The only fish that has actually grown a lot.

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Good. It sounds like you have everything under control. I'm going to move this thread out of emergency and into diagnosis where you can continue with discussion if needed :)

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Imogen,

You were right about the maracyn and m2 causing a cycle bump on the 10 gallon tank . i had low amounts of ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates. I haven't put chubby in there yet.She is happy to have her friends back

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