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Mutant Bubble Eye Problem. No, Not A Bubbleeye.


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Hey friends! It has been a while, but clearly I cannot permanently stay away from the Disease forum. ;)

As anyone who remembers Sirius the Telescope might remember, he has over the past three years or so started slowly growing uneven. In the eyeballs.

I don’t know how fish eyes work, but imagine there are two water balloons and they’re connected by a straw, and you’re gradually squeezing one of them so that it empties out, but the balloon on the other side has to get bigger and bigger and BIGGER to compensate, and you’ll have a pretty good visual of what’s happening.

Initially, I tried hot water, cold water, brackish water, salt water, Prazi, swabs, Medigold, and every over-the-counter drops that PetDumb sells. I bare-bottomed the tank and took all possible knock-his-eye-off accessories out, replaced the media a couple of times in case there was an eyeball eating virus hanging around, and basically was a crazy person.

But after a while, he started acting stressed out by all my frantic “cure” attempts, and I figured whatever, he’ll do what he does, and as long as he’s eating and swimming and laying eggs like a champ (he’s a she, clearly) I won’t worry too much about the fact that he’s flat on one side, and gigantic and pooling blood on the other.

So for the past year or two since then, I just check the ammonia, nitrate/nitrite, and Ph levels daily, and I keep his water so clean I pretty much would be willing to drink out of it.

That’s the back story.

But NOW, guys. He’s mutating. I don’t even. Look at this.

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You might say to yourself, “Minx, what is that?!”

And I will say, “I have no idea, but it looks like a bubble. Like he’s growing a bubble. Out of where his collapsed eyeball used to be. He’s spontaneously becoming a bubble eye. Make it stop!”

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I just...

...

I hesitate to even ask, but… has anyone… had any experience with this? Um. Or have any ideas about what I can do to make him stop? Because God knows I love him, but every time I look at him now my stomach sort of flips.

(And no, he doesn’t appear to notice. He’s still eating fine, swimming fine, laying eggs fine, terrorizing Bob fine, etc. Thank goodness he's blind, I guess, because if I were him I would seriously be freaking the heck out whenever I noticed my reflection on the side of the tank.)

Help.

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i am thinking it could be bacterial as the other eye is showing blood.. could you fill out the answers to all the questions below?

Test Results for the Following:
  • * Ammonia Level
  • * Nitrite Level
  • * Nitrate level
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) Other Required Info:
  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
  • * Water temperature?
  • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
  • * How often do you change the water and how much?

  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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Test Results for the Following:

  • * Ammonia Level 0
  • * Nitrite Level 0
  • * Nitrate level 5
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.6
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.6

Other Required Info:

  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API Drops
  • * Water temperature? <70
  • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 30 gallons, three years
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Penguin Biowheel 100 and Penguin Biowheel 200
  • * How often do you change the water and how much? Alternate weekly 50% and 75%
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Two days ago, 50%
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? Two fish, approx 2” and 3” (body length)
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? Once a day, either veggies, gel food, frozen brine shrimp or pellets
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? No
  • * Any medications added to the tank? No
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. There is no way to list history. Assume at one time or another he has been treated for everything, but not treated for ANYTHING in the past six months.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? No
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? No

I don't want to sound like I'm not panicking when I should be, but he has had that pool of blood in his giant eye for literally three years now, without it changing. At the time, we treated it with salt and... something else, I can't remember at this point, and quarantined for a month. And about a year ago, he was quarantined and salted again after a particularly rough bout of mate-chasing left him kind of battered and bruised. It has stayed pooled there throughout with no apparent ill effects. Except now, with the eye bubble....

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ok, given the structure of the eye under normal circumstances. there would be a layer preventing incoming and outgoing fluid/nasties as a protection.. incl. slime coat, right?

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my suspicion is either bacterial or fluid retention, more to fluid retention as whatever is in there is definately clear. as he is eating/swimming like nothing it wrong. i think 5 days in epsom salt (1/4 teaspoon per 10 gallons dissolved) for a maximum 5 days to see if this helps your fish absorb the fluid retention back into his body.

if it were bacterial, it would show some discolouration,,, ie, browning, smelly water etc.. there would be more signs of it.. perhaps even pineconing, the pictures show nothing of that which is quite a relief.

can you qt him into a seperate tub/tank? i feel that the fish who is well, does not need to be exposed to epsom salt as it is a medicine.

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Thanks guys!

I've got a quarantine tank stabilizing in the basement - I'll run out tonight and get some epsom salt, since all I've got at the moment is regular old aquarium-type salt, and we'll get him on the road to recovery. Or at least, the road to hopefully maybe looking slightly less like a character in a horror movie. (Not that he sort of didn't already... :borggs: )

Helen, if it's not fluid retention, a five-day epsom soak won't make anything worse, will it?

Good luck! There's been a rash of eyeball problems around here lately. We might never get a telescope fish after all these stories. :no:

Oh, go for it. There are weirder things that can happen with other varieties of goldfish -- think about orandas, and the way you sometimes have to trim their wens! And to be honest, Sirius has been very healthy (much more so than, for example, my fantail) with the sole exception of his Eyeballs of Doom. And in a worse-case scenario... so what? Their eyeball falls off because it hits the filter intake wrong, and then you've got a slightly lopsided fish. It'll add to his character. ;)

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lol!

I had Steve Urkel who kept getting HUGE bubbles ON his celestial eye. They would grow,grow grow and pop. ew.

Then he lost the eye because my boyfriend sucked it out with a python, and that fixed that! lol. Poor Urkel!

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Thanks guys!

I've got a quarantine tank stabilizing in the basement - I'll run out tonight and get some epsom salt, since all I've got at the moment is regular old aquarium-type salt, and we'll get him on the road to recovery. Or at least, the road to hopefully maybe looking slightly less like a character in a horror movie. (Not that he sort of didn't already... :borggs: )

Helen, if it's not fluid retention, a five-day epsom soak won't make anything worse, will it?

good work on the QT :)

no, the epsom will not harm the fish if it does not solve the problem. i have a feeling (and my fingers crossed) that it will work, but it will not harm the fish. maximum we can keep the epsom in there is 8 days. so we're playing it safe at 5. we should see noticable results in 3-4 days.. if it works, then we can remove the epsom and continue to treat with aquarium salt for about a week.

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Huzzah! Good. I'll post again once he's in QT, although with any luck it will be a fairly benign sort of medicating period. If that bubble grows, though, y'all will have to not hold me responsible for any squicked-out shrieking that occurs. :rofl

(Also aw, poor Steve Urkel. I guess having his eye removed entirely would sort of fix the issue!!)

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