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[*]Test Results for the Following:

[*]Ammonia Level?0

[*]Nitrite Level?0

[*]Nitrate level?<20 ppm

[*]Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)?8.4

[*]Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)?8.4

[*]Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?"Quick dip" strips and Ammonia drops - API brand

[*]Water temperature? 72

[*]Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 55 gal running over 5 years

[*]What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? 110 aquaclear and aquatech 30 -60

[*]How often do you change the water and how much? About once a week 30 - 50 percent

[*]how many days ago was the last water change and how much? Today 100% after I took Stub out.

[*]How many fish in the tank and their size? 5 fish...3 at 2 1/2 inches, 1 at 6 inches, 1 at 4 inches.

[*]What kind of water additives or conditioners? Start right when I change the water

[*]What do you feed your fish and how often? Gel food once a day 7 day a week. They had a small orange slice about a week ago.

*]Any new fish added to the tank? No

[*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Tail fin might be slightly ragged. It's hard to tell because he's calico.

[*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Wouldn't eat this morning, sitting on the bottom of the tank, now floating.

I'm trying not to be panicky, but there is something bad going on in my tank. First Daisy May had a cyst that burst two weeks ago. She's better now. While Daisy May was in QT, Gertie began to have popeye. Many water changes helped that. I removed the driftwood just in case that was making fish sick. This morning Stub wouldn't come eat his breakfast. I thought it was weird so I put him in the QT tank. I removed all fish, plants, everything from the main tank, scrubbed, and did a 100% water change. I did not rinse the filters.

I put Stub in the 10 gallon QT tank with less than a teaspoon of Epsom salt. He swam a bit and rested on the bottom a bit. After lunch I check on him and found him laying on his side on the bottom of the tank. I tapped the side of the glass and he very slowly responded. He'll right himself, then tip sideways and start to float up slightly. His body is not swollen. No scales lifted. I just can't figure out what's going on with the tank and with Stub.

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I cannot help with Stub, but I wish you the best. Thinking good thoughts of you both.

I write also to say that I think it's a really good idea to do the overhaul of the main tank. However, you may want to be extra vigilant in checking/changing water, as all the cleaning could result in a cycle bump.

Good luck!

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as all the cleaning could result in a cycle bump.

For sure, just keep an eye on your perams for a bit.

I would rinse the filters if I were you. It sounds like you may have something bacterial happening in your tank so the less 'gunk' there is for it to feed on, the better. Rinsing won't harm your good bacteria as long as it's tank water you use, and your fish's waste will feed them plenty without all the extra stuff that accumulates in there.

Do you have gravel or any ornaments in the tank?

As for Stub, will he eat? I would give him a pea just in case it's constipation you're seeing.

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I think I see some scales out tho in the first pic. Can you drop the water level a bit to make him more comfortable? How is he now?

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ChrissyBee - I will rinse the filters. My tank is 2/3 bare bottom, 1/3 river rock. I keep the plants in the pile of river rock. When I clean the tank, I use my scrubber-on-a-stick to move the rocks all around and clean the glass bottom. I have three open-backed Easter Island heads made out of some clay that I'm assuming is safe for tanks because they were sold as aquarium decoration. Just tried the pea. He won't eat a pea. He just stares at it. Stub!!

Captain - You have a great eye! Now that you mention it, I can see a slight raising on Stub's left side. I didn't see it before. He's a calico with some metalic scales, some very tranparent. The black looks like it's at different depths too. It wasn't until I looked at him from above with the tank hood off that I can see the scales slightly raised. I lowered the water about 2 inches. Dumb question - do I keep the filter running? It seems like a lot of current for him and he seems aggitated. He rolled over a few times slowly. I turned it off for now. He seems to be able to stay more upright than he was when I first posted. He's sitting on the bottom tipped slightly sideways.

Three fish sick in the last two weeks?? :(

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As you say, with three fish sick in the past couple weeks, I agree that it sounds like a bacterial issue. I would get a tub and drain some tank water into them, and then move the filter media in it to swish it out and carefully remove gunk. I never actually RINSE my media, I only "wipe" any kind of buildup off and swish it around until it looks decent. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like actual rinsing will get rid off too many BBs compared to gentle swishing, wiping and squeezing, as this only removes the gunk that's on the outside, without rinsing/"flushing" out BBs that live inside the media.

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How are the other 2?

THe problem is that this fish isn't eating tho. That isn't a great sign in such a position.

I would get them on some sort of antibiotic personally. Maybe try water based Metro for this guy and metro in food for the others who are still eating?

For this guy you can move the filters to run with other fish - he just needs an airstone and you just need to do frequent water changes. Try not to stress him too much.

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Daisy May appears to have recovered beautifully. She had a cyst. I put her in QT. It burst. I fed her Jungle Brand Antibiotic food. The cyst cleared up. No dropsy. No fuss. Gertie had had dropsy a month before, recovered, then developled Popeye while Daisy May was in QT with her cyst. I've been doing big water changes and Gertie seems fine. Now Stub has taken ill.

I have Mardel brand Maracyn (erythromycin is the active ingredient) and Maracyn-two (Minocycline in the active ingredient.

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As you say, with three fish sick in the past couple weeks, I agree that it sounds like a bacterial issue. I would get a tub and drain some tank water into them, and then move the filter media in it to swish it out and carefully remove gunk. I never actually RINSE my media, I only "wipe" any kind of buildup off and swish it around until it looks decent. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like actual rinsing will get rid off too many BBs compared to gentle swishing, wiping and squeezing, as this only removes the gunk that's on the outside, without rinsing/"flushing" out BBs that live inside the media.

I rise mine big time, LOL. I hold it under the flow from the python (tank water coming out of the tank) then I squeeze the sponge inserts until nothing comes out of them. You would really have to go crazy on it to get rid of the bb's...they're SO incredibly tiny and numerous.

So Lorainne, do you have the riverrock in one pile? I also have about 2/3 barebottom and some rock and plants, but it's spread out. If things are in a pile it creates a place for waste to gather and breed bad bacteria.

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It's a very shallow pile of river rock. Just enough to hold the plants down. I need to take some photos. It was spread out when the fish were getting sick. I just piled it up when I did that extensive tank cleaning. Stub still won't eat. Still no poop. He's sitting at the bottom of the tank, but at least he's upright.

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Just did a partial water change. Stub just gently swirled around. He's not even trying to swim. His gills are still moving. He's laying on his side. I put in the Maracyn-two for the dropsey. The scales are just barely raised. Almost not noticable. I just don't know.

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Stub's floating at the top now on his side.

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How much aeration do you have in the tank, e.g., bubble wands or bubble disks? What are the most recent water parameters? Tank temp?

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Quarantine Tank

[*]Test Results for the Following:

[*]Ammonia Level?0

[*]Nitrite Level?0

[*]Nitrate level?<20 ppm

[*]Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)?8.4

[*]Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)?8.4

[*]Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?"Quick dip" strips and Ammonia drops - API brand

[*]Water temperature? 76

[*]Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 10 gallon running since yesterday

[*]What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Filter isn't running right now. The mild current is too hard on Stub.

[*]How often do you change the water and how much? Daily 50 percent except now that I have the antibiotic in the water, I can't do a water change.

[*]how many days ago was the last water change and how much? 50% this morning

[*]How many fish in the tank and their size? 1 fish at 2 1/2 inches

[*]What kind of water additives or conditioners? Start right when I change the water

[*]What do you feed your fish and how often? I tried to give peas. Stub wouldn't eat.

*]Any new fish added to the tank? No

[*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

[*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Still won't eat. Currently sitting on the bottom of the tank. Was floating sideways at the top.

I do not have an air stone going. I'm trying to find the old air pump. I will try to get one in tonight.

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What's the distance between the filter output and the top of the water? Try and get as much surface splash as possible until you can find the pump.

I'm sorry I can't comment on the Maracyn-Two as I've never used it before. Hopefully someone experienced with it will come by and know more about it.

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The filter output is touching the water. It's a Aquatech 10-20. Stub seems to have no strength to do anything. I've cure fish of dropsy before, but Stub isn't really pineconed like the others were. It's so strange. He seems so weak and he's not eating. I used medicated food before, but since he won't eat, I've just dumped antibiotics in the tank. I'm pretty desperate to try anything at this point.

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I just want to comment on the Maracyn 2, without offering an opinion about this situation because I just don't know enough in this case. If you are using Maracyn 2, make sure you cover the tank, as minocycline is light-sensitive and will breakdown following exposure to light.

Good luck! I wish I could be of more help.

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Can you be a bit more detailed about what you added into the tank, the last water change, ect. Thanks!

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The filter output is touching the water. It's a Aquatech 10-20. Stub seems to have no strength to do anything. I've cure fish of dropsy before, but Stub isn't really pineconed like the others were. It's so strange. He seems so weak and he's not eating. I used medicated food before, but since he won't eat, I've just dumped antibiotics in the tank. I'm pretty desperate to try anything at this point.

I'm thinking a full w/c would be good if he doesn't have any signs of dropsy then the meds can do more harm then good. I actually can really relate to your feeling. And I've been there trying everything I could think of to try and save my fish. But I've made mistakes in the past by over treating and/or treating with the wrong thing so I just want to pass along that experience to you.

I would turn the filter back on most definitely. I understand he is having trouble with the current, so what you can do is put him in a container that floats inside the tank. Here is an example of my fish in a mesh basket. DSCN2318.jpg And this would be an example of the container. 361149e.jpg

I would also try and lower the water level just a bit so that the filter creates some splash if you couldn't get the air pump. Is there a heater in your tank or are you just in a part of the US that's really going through a heat wave? Higher temps means it's more of a struggle for a fish to breathe.

How many days now has Stub not been eating?

Are your river rocks still in a pile to hold down the plants?

Edited by Martha

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The heat was from a heater. I thought I was supposed to raise the temp if the fish was sick. I took it out. I did a water change. The water is creating a splash now. Stub is mostly on the bottom, sometimes slightly sideways. He's getting thinner. Very noticable behind his gills and just before his back fin. He hasn't eaten in 4 days. I keep trying to feed him but he doesn't want food. I am at an absolute loss. I don't know what to do.

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Stub died on Monday. I thought I posted it, but now I don't see the post. Rest in peace Stub.

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RIP Stub. I'm so sorry, and wish that I could have helped somehow. :(

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So sorry for your loss. Stub was a little cutie, and I know you did the best you could for him. :rip: little Stub!

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I'm sorry. May Stub RIP. :(

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