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Hello pleased to meet you all,

I have recently started fish keeping or trying to.

Some background I hqave a 120ltr tank with a bio filter I started with 2 goldfish and several weeks later introduced another 2 all was going ok i thought so added 1 more a week later i was using strips to test the water.

About 3 weeks later one of the fish developed a white strand on its side the next day the next day this cracked open i immediately went to a few stores and asked for advise and was given primafix and melafix this seemed to work a bit then a few days later another 2 fish caught the same but in different places i know now i should have taken him out straight away but im a complete novice.

I removed the 2 Healthy fish to 750ltr tank and continued treating the others the infections got bigger then turned to nasty ulcers did salt baths then permagate then went to the vets and got nt ulcer treatment and started treating them directly 2 weeks later the ulcers were dreadful so i had put them to sleep.

The 2 fish in the 750 tank were doing ok until last week one had a white sore on the top of the mouth and that came away and could see a red sore this is getting worse i have transferred the other fish back to the 120 tank.

The water condition is

0 ammonia

0 nitrites

7.5 ph

But i have to do a water change every other day of 20 to 50 % or the ammonia and nitrite rises to 0.25 i am now using the api test kits.

I have some plants not manyin the tank.

I am at a lose now on how to treat he or she as all i did on the others never worked really dont want to lose this fish.

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Hello & welcome :)

Would it be possible for you to answer this questionnaire in order to facilitate the D&D discussion? Also, if you could post pictures/vids of the affected areas, that would be tremendously helpful. I hope we will be able to sort this out together.

[*]Test Results for the Following:

[*]Ammonia Level?

[*]Nitrite Level?

[*]Nitrate level?

[*]Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)?

[*]Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)?

[*]Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?

[*]Water temperature?

[*]Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?

[*]What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?

[*]How often do you change the water and how much?

[*]how many days ago was the last water change and how much?

[*]How many fish in the tank and their size?

[*]What kind of water additives or conditioners?

[*]What do you feed your fish and how often?

[*]Any new fish added to the tank?

[*]Any medications added to the tank?

[*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

[*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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Do you have gravel?

A little more info as said would be great. And a pic of the ulcer if possible with fish in tank would be awesome. Cell pic is fine and you can upload it at My link

if you open an account, it's free.

Welcome to Kokos :D

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Hi Trinket,

Hopefuly the rest of my test kits will arrive today ordered api nitrate and ph then will complete the info.

Yeah there was gravel and slate i have removed them all, when i had the test strips and bought the api test kits for ammonia and nitrite i was shocked to see the difference in the results my water quality was very poor, im just wondering if he has scratched himself whilst rooting for food and as the water quality was so poor it has got infected.

I have been using api stress coat and been doing 40 to 80 water changes and he has not got any worse.

Will post info and take some pics.

Thanks

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Yes test strip kits are totally inacurrate. I remember once getting a normal reading for ammonia on strips when it was 2 on my tetra kit.

When you removed all the gravel (where ulcer causing bacteria live) I think you crashed your cycle :( The readings may be not just strip V drop but in fact you are back to square one with your nitrogen cycle.

You need to keep changing water daily to get back on track and use the new drop kits to help you.

Waiting on pics :)

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[*]Ammonia Level?

0.00

[*]Nitrite Level?

0.25

[*]Nitrate level?

5.0

[*]Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)?

7.8

[*]Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)?

7.8

[*]Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?

API

[*]Water temperature?

unknown

[*]Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?

170 4 weeks

[*]What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?

Aqua one 750 and Excocel Hose 2500 added extra media course medium and fine

[*]How often do you change the water and how much?

Currently every 2 days at 80%

[*]how many days ago was the last water change and how much?

16/7/11 80%

[*]How many fish in the tank and their size?

2 about 4 inches

[*]What kind of water additives or conditioners?

API Stress Coat

[*]What do you feed your fish and how often?

Morning 8.00am 3 each evening 8pm 3 each

[*]Any new fish added to the tank?

No

[*]Any medications added to the tank?

No

[*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

No

[*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

Since the other 3 i had to put to sleep they twirl a lot and chase each others tails

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Here is what the results of the test results over the passed few days

16/7/11

Ammonia

0.00

Nitrite

0.10

Nitrate

0.00

Ph

7.9

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15/7/11

Ammonia

0.25

Nitrite

0.25

Nitrate

0.00

Ph

7.8

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13/7/11

Ammonia

0.00

Nitrite

0.00

Nitrate

Never had a kit

Ph

7.5

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forgot to say each of those days a 80% water change was made, and not sure if you can see the red sore on the upper left side of the lip, i seem to have really good days where a nice film of white coating will cover the sore then that goes and can see the rednesh.

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Looks like you are not cycled yet from those readings. Awesome job keeping track like this as it is the best way to work out where you are with the nitrogen cycle :)

It seems like you have passed stage one and have a family of nitrosomonas bacteria going, now you need more of the second group -nitrobacter -that convert nitrites into the end stage nitrates. Nitrites can come and go when cyclng so those need monitoring close, do your testing before the water change to see how high the highest they get is. Should try and keep those below 0.5 when cycling (and of course 0 after). Nitrites can have fish gasping at the top of the tank, try and ensure lots of surface ruffle and dissolved oxygen.

Medigold/medikoi is probably not a bad idea since the fish have red sore/s and are going through cycling - those will provide some protection. Otherwise I would just focus on getting the cycle balanced. It is amazing how healing a stable and established cycle can be for skin issues.

The red sore coming and going (and the intermitent healing white with it) is because the fish cannot fully heal with nitrites in the water.

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Thanks very much Trinket amazing how complicated it is keeping fish you certainly know you stuff i have made so many mistakes resulting in the death of 3 fish.

Do you think a 50% every other day as well as the 80% will speed the cycle or just carry on with what i am doing was worried about stressing the lads out.

What food do you think i should use after the medikoi.

Thanks again for your help

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It's honestly only tricky for the first few months until you have established your 'tank eco system'; the good bacteria.

After this, it is plain sailing I promise you and very easy. Until you bring home a new fish and don't quarantine it that is :P

It is only this first month to 6 weeks that you need do these daily water changes, after you start to get zero for nitrites and ammonia for one week straight (after having seen them first spike I mean) and you start to see nitr a tes every day, then you know the hard work is over. Your fish are safe.

Most of us rely on testing daily during cycling. Then you know how much water to change out. So for example you get 1.0 for nitrites, you do a 50% water change (w/c) and you are probably going to be @ 0.5. You do need a smidge to establish the cycle. If you can do this with 0.25% nitrites which it looks like you have, all credit to you, it may take a little longer to get enough good bac but it is kinder to your fish.

So, looking at your charts I can see your pH rising slightly, this is excellent and happens as you get more good bacteria and a more balanced water chemistry going. The nitrites are low, also excellent, seems like whatever amount you are doing and the frequency is just right..and working well. Keep going.

You will soon need a nitr a te kit :)

After the Medikoi you need some probiotic food (like in yoghurt - whichhas digestive healing power for humans) same with fish. Antibiotics are hard on the GI tract and almost half the fishes immune response is in there (the rest on his slimecoat surface) so it needs nurturing back to health.

I know you can get Saki Hikari (purple pack) in the UK ..and it is packed with probiotics and has a great enticing krill content. I use it and have done for years, it is a complete food with probiotics. Of course you can and should continue to give them snacks of peas/daphnia/brine shrimp/fruit etc some days.

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Thanks will have a read about these products, passed few days seen a good change on the red sore has nearly gone just a little bit of white coating left so happy he has made a recovery all i did was do what was advised kept testing water and applied wc with api stress coat which i think is excellent you can actually feel a nice coating on the fish used several others and they was no way near as good.

Thanks for all your advise.

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I thought i would give you an update as i noticed most dont post the recovery results only the injury.

He is as healthy as anything here is the fella.

Loves peas, goes mad for shrimp.. :yeah:

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