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Haileykins

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Hello Fish Hobbiest.

My name is Hailey and this is my red caped oranda gold fish named Angel. I have had Angel for 7 yrs now and only within the last 2 weeks has he been sick. I will be getting the water tested with in the next day or two and will poist is ASAP but if i could get some feedback on this photos and my discription that would be helpfull.

[*]Test Results for the Following:

[*]Ammonia Level? still to come

[*]Nitrite Level? still to come

[*]Nitrate level? still to come

[*]Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)? still to come

[*]Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)? still to come

[*]Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? still to come

[*]Water temperature? Room temp but will get more accurette reading soon.

[*]Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 16 Gallons running 7 yrs :( (getting upgrade to 57 Gallon in a few days)

[*]What is the name and size of the filter(s)? older filter and dont honestly know anymore...pics above (got brand new filter that is appropriate size for new 57g tank)

[*]How often do you change the water and how much? 25% water change weekley (recently started doing regularly as i did some more reseach on goldfish care)

[*]How many fish in the tank and their size? 1

[*]What kind of water additives or conditioners? Currently using API aqarium salt(freshwater tanks) and API MELAFIX antibacterial fish remedy.

[*]What do you feed your fish and how often? Hukari fancy fish sinking pelets 3mm. (2nd food i tryed because i had to change cuz the store stoped selling food he orignally ate. angel did not like first food change and wasnt eating but he seems to like this food and is eating. Also i feed him frozen bloodworms on ocasion.

[*]Any new fish added to the tank? no.

[*]Any medications added to the tank? MELAFIX antibacterial. Did one week of treatment then 25% water change and am on day 2 of second treatment.

[*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? 2 weeks ago: noticed slight bloodshot fins, 1 week ago: heavey bloodshot fins, red sores under main "arm" fins and red sore developing on left side at base of tail, body and eye slime. (red sore went away with Melafix treatment, fins also less bloodshot but frayed at ends, and no more body slime), THIS week: white "fuzzy" patch developing on wen, slight bloodshot fins and still frayed but do not look like they are progressing further.

[*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? 1.5 weeks ago sitting at top of tank, not a lot of movement, lack of eating. 1 week ago: be haviouse back to norm but lots of resting at bottom of tank. THIS week: behaviour seems norm but every so ofton Angel seems to tweek out and shake his head rapidley.

As you can see it has been a very up and down couple weeks. I have had some theory about what is going on but want to leave it bias as u are the experts. I do know that this tank is not big enough for the size my fish has grown and believe this to be a large contributer to everything that been going on. I have been working hard of keeping the tank clean and doing frequent water change's before and after melafix treatment. melafix seemed to help first problems but im worried a secondary infection is happening and am unsure what to do treatment wise or/and am worried that maybe first diagnose's was wrong or will not fully heal if properly diagnosed so i am all around a worried fish owner and needed an outsiders opionion. Im hoping the new large tank once set up will help.

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Hi Hailey,

If at all possible, please buy your own test kit. API liquid test kit is best. If you need to ask your petstore to test for you, have them use the liquid kits and write down the exact results. Preferably, just buy your own kit so you can constantly monitor the quality. Exact results are very important so we can figure out what went wrong exactly. This may determine whether water quality contributed to the issue or not.

How often do you vacuum your substrate?

How does Angel's poop look? White and stringy? Normal brown or green (depending on the foods it ate)?

What dechlorinator do you use?

Are you using tap or well water?

I'm biased with Melafix. I don't advocate its use preferring to use sodium chloride as a means to resolve mildly infected injuries and other bacterial infections. The advanced stages of infections may require antibiotics (and Melafix is not one of them nor will be one of them). Luckily, you will not need antibiotics judging from the details you posted.

At this point, since we do not know your water parameters yet, you may have to try doing daily water changes as much as 40% until you get the water parameter readings.

Since you have salt with you, do add a teaspoon per gallon. It is possible for nitrite to contribute to Angel's issue. The salt will neutralize its toxic effects. Be sure to dissolve the salt first before adding. Make sure it does NOT contain yellow prussiate of soda (YPS) which is toxic to fish. Rock salt, pickling salt or aquarium salt will work just fine.

On long term basis, I would not add the salt continuously. This situation calls for one but once Angel recovers, it's time to pull it out completely.

My other concern is how you describe Angel shaking his head. Has he been treated with anything before? If so, which meds were previously used? I'm amazed that after 7 years, he just started going sick. With that length of time, I do not think parasites would be responsible. They would have shown up before that. Perhaps this has really something to do with your water quality more than anything else. Hopefully, it's simply water quality issue which we can easily correct.

Keep water well aerated as well since the salt can reduce oxygen levels. And once you have the heater and thermometer, keep temperature consistently at 76 degrees Fahrenheit.

Lastly, it's a good idea to either vacuum the gravel thoroughly or just stick to plain barebottom setup. I keep all my goldfish tanks barebottom and it makes it easier for me to maintain cleanliness as the poop is easily vacuumed out. It's up to you though how you want your tank to look at. If BB doesn't suit you, you could ideally add some plants confined in clay pots with gravel to inject a bit more detail in the bare setup.:D

Hope this helps.

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Lupin made a good post :) I just wanted to add that on your filter it looks like calcium build ups. When was the last time you swished the filter media in some old tank water? :( There could really be a nasty buildup of bad bacteria. In addition to that he really needs more water changes than the 25% weekly I would say 50% weekly. And like lupin said start changing the water daily until he's better. When you get your water parameters definitely post back :D We can help ya further :)

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Thank you both for the fast replies. I had my water tested with the api drop kit at the store (16g)...it was bad....really bad. I have good news though. Angle is in his new tank and the infection on his head is gone also my water in the new tank is great. Here is an overview of the last three weeks and my current concern and question. I also posted this in another forum specifically talking about this type of infection (red pest) but thought it was a good idea to ask here to since it was specific to my fish.

He got fin rot from out growing his tank and poor water conditions. He was on melafix and it seemed it help clear it up. Then he got a secondary fungal infection which I had to treat with antibiotics but it seems to have cleared up nicely. I have also upgraded from the 16g to a 47g and he seems much happier. My water is great in the new tank i have checked it three times in the last three days and all the reading are good. His been in the new tank 2 days and his fins are still bloodshot. My thinking was from the poor water condition from the previous tank as i know this can be a side effect. The red streaks look worse with the light off and the base of his fins seems pinkie but he seems happy as can be and is eating and swimming like norm.

So my question is how long does is take once water conditions have improved for these red streaks to go away (if poor water from the previous tank was the cause)? And if they do not go away how long should i wait before getting antibiotic food?

I would really rather not jump to antibiotics if maybe he just needs more time to adjust.

Much thanks to any replies and feedback. :)

recent water conditions of new tank from Feb 28th 12:01am (test strip)

Nitrate 0

Nitrite 0

Hardness 150

Chlorine 0

Alkalinity 180

Ph 7.2

Feb 29th at 3pm i went back to my local fish store and got them to use the API drop test kit. I did not get the exacts numbers but they told me my water was great and right at the perfect levels it should be.

Thanks again for all the great feed back. :D

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Good news! How big is the new tank? The only issue I see with it is that it is quite tall and maybe not as long? Goldfish really need long tanks for more surface area. I would add an airstone as well. You really need to get the numbers when they test your water, especially with changing tanks...you want to make sure you don't lose your cycle.

She is a very pretty fish.

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I'm glad your beautiful baby is getting better. 7 years is quite an innings and a credit to your care.

As Amy says above re- airstone to help circulate oxygen ..and if possible if you can get a test kit as it seems like you are maybe back to square one with your nitrogen cycle with those zero nitrates.

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Thanks for your fast replies.

I went to the fish store and bought fish clip with suctions to attach so my air stone is now up and working...Angel seemed to really like that. The guy who works there at the store and cares of the fish said it could deff take up to a week for side affects from poor H2O to go down and to just keep an eye on his behavior (eating/swimming) so im trying not to worry too much at this point and just keep a close eye.

Its a 47g and i am going to be buying the API drop test tube kit. That's the good kind of water test kit to buy, right?

Its a boy..i named hm before i could sex him...kinda goes both ways though :P

and what is the idea level of nitrites to have?

:)

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hi hailey, welcome to koko's.. nice to meet you :)

yes, we looooove the API drop test kit on this site, it offers so much accuracy in it's results.

your fish's ideal environment will be displayed via the test kit results and should red:

ammonia: 0

nitrites: 0

nitrates: 20 (maximum) safe zone 5-20.

ph: 7.6-8.2

hope this helps :)

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