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I've noticed that since I got my Orandas just yesterday and placed them in the tank one of the black moors seemed to start to chase one (the orange presumably impregnated female((her stomach is pretty rounded out. It might be bloating, but I remember seeing a bloated Oranda in a fish store and she doesn't quite look the same as that guy was..))). Most often when he chased her he would bump her just underneath where here tail is..? I'm not 100% sure the orange oranda (I named her Orchid) is pregnant or not..

What's even worse is the black moor has started now bumping my other oranda (a black and white one I call Oreo. :)) in the same area, and Oreo doesn't look pregnant or bloated for that matter..

And now I think the second black moor is picking up on the firsts bad habits. :(

To top it all off Oreo seems to do this to poor Orchid sometimes as well, but he also seems to be "standing in front of her," as if he's trying to keep the other fish away..?

I read that the male fish will bump a pregnant female to encourage her to have her babies but.. I don't know. I've never had a pregnant/bloated fish before..

Even then it could be just aggression.. I've seen the more dominant moor push around the other moor a little, but never in this fashion or with this much persistence. It was more like playing when they were alone..

Can anyone help? :(

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Welcome and congrats on your new fish :D Can you fill out as many of the questions below that you can so we can see if it's a water or stocking issue? Also, if you have a picture of Orchid, we could see if she's egg bound or bloated.

[*]Test Results for the Following:

[*]Ammonia Level?

[*]Nitrite Level?

[*]Nitrate level?

[*]Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)?

[*]Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)?

[*]Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?

[*]Water temperature?

[*]Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?

[*]What is the name and size of the filter(s)?

[*]How often do you change the water and how much?

[*]How many fish in the tank and their size?

[*]What kind of water additives or conditioners?

[*]What do you feed your fish and how often?

[*]Any new fish added to the tank?

[*]Any medications added to the tank?

[*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

[*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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Goldfish don't become pregnant; they have external fertilization of the eggs. Maybe the bloated looking oranda has some issue that we need to address, or it could be that it's just big around. Some are built that way. But a photo of the fish would be really helpful to determine the issue. And as BuggyBear said, please fill out all the info so we can help you.

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Welcome and congrats on your new fish :D Can you fill out as many of the questions below that you can so we can see if it's a water or stocking issue? Also, if you have a picture of Orchid, we could see if she's egg bound or bloated.

[*]Test Results for the Following:

[*]Ammonia Level?

[*]Nitrite Level?

[*]Nitrate level?

[*]Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)?

[*]Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)?

[*]Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?

[*]Water temperature?

[*]Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?

[*]What is the name and size of the filter(s)?

[*]How often do you change the water and how much?

[*]How many fish in the tank and their size?

[*]What kind of water additives or conditioners?

[*]What do you feed your fish and how often?

[*]Any new fish added to the tank?

[*]Any medications added to the tank?

[*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

[*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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I don't know much about the water, but I made sure to cycle the tank long before I got any of my fish, and I've had my black moors for a couple of months now and they've been just dandy with normal tub water.. The tank is somewhere between 20-40 gallons... I'm not 100% sure since I got it second hand.. The filter is called Whisper EX30 and it's made for 20-30 gallon tanks.. When I first got the filter it seemed a little strong for my fish, but when I added plants and other objects they seemed to be more comfortable.

I usually change the water every couple of weeks, and I change about half the tank of water. I just changed the water the day before my mom brought me home the orandas. I usually feed my fish just generic flakes.. It's specifically made to bring the golden tones out, but the cover features a picture of a black moor. When my mom got the orandas she also got sinking pellets for them. I've just started feeding them these, as they've only been out of their bang for less than 24 hours. I feed my fish every day, once a day around 8 or 9 pm.. They seem quite content with that.. Should I be feeding them more?

Other than that my fish act pretty normally... Well.. aside from the chasing bit.

These are pictures of my orandas and the tank. I tried.. >>; they're squirmy little buggers.

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A few problems that I see; First, tank is too small, you need min of 40 gal for 4 goldies. Your filter only does 110 gph, so on your current tank, it's only 1/2 what you need for goldies. On a 40 gal tank you want 400 gph. With an over stocked tank, you should do at least 2 50% water changes a week. Definitely get a water test kit or take a sample to your lfs, so we can see what your levels are. There's also a lot of gravel and a few hollow (I think) ornaments, which could be harboring nasty bacteria. Hope that helps :)

Edit: forgot to mention, your fish are gorgeous :heart Love the black and white oranda!!

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A few problems that I see; First, tank is too small, you need min of 40 gal for 4 goldies. Your filter only does 110 gph, so on your current tank, it's only 1/2 what you need for goldies. On a 40 gal tank you want 400 gph. With an over stocked tank, you should do at least 2 50% water changes a week. Definitely get a water test kit or take a sample to your lfs, so we can see what your levels are. There's also a lot of gravel and a few hollow (I think) ornaments, which could be harboring nasty bacteria. Hope that helps :)

Edit: forgot to mention, your fish are gorgeous :heart Love the black and white oranda!!

Well crap. I coulda sworn the tank was bigger than it was, but it's only about 30 gallons.. >> Well. I know what I'm asking for for Christmas! Haha. I'll see what I can do to take care of the tank from now until then.

The log is a pretty basic half-cylinder log where the sucker likes to hide. The bridge is hollow and when I pull it out to clean it it pees all the water out. XD The gravel is only thick enough to cover the ground and I have trouble getting it to cover and hold the plants.

Thanks for the help and the compliments. <3 My mom seems to be good fish picker. :)

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Yes, your mom has an eye for lovely fish :D Until you can get a bigger tank, you can always use a plastic/rubbermaid tote as a temporary tank. They are handy to have on hand as an emergency qt; you never know when someone might get sick down the road and need a little time away from the others :)

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How often do you clean the gravel? The gravel harbors nasty anaerobic bacteria which may be contributing to them chasing. Sometimes they chase when one is sick.

Also welcome to Kokos! :heart

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Your mom found you a lovely panda oranda! Nice.

I had that same log in my tank. I had to finally toss it which is too bad because I liked the way it looked. I noticed my fish were acting off and when I picked up the log I found the paint peeling off underneath. Hollow ornaments can cause so many problems.

I would also suggest reducing your gravel by at least half. You can start by slowly taking a cup out a day until you get a thin scattering. Don't do it all at once or you may crash your cycle. And then you really need to up your water changes because you are overstocked. I would do one or two large (50 to 75%) a week water changes. And a definate must on your shopping list is a test kit. Water is everything in maintaining an aquarium so you really need to watch your params.

I am betting that some of that chasing/bullying is because you are overstocked. That is the only time I have ever seen goldies get territorial.

Since you directly added your orandas I would treat the entire tank with prazi and salt. These are standard quarentine procedure.

Welcome to Kokos!

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The fish still do it, but nothing as aggressive as when I first added them. They all seem settled in and there's FAR less gravel than before. The tank gets cleaned frequently and a lot, so the filter isn't too much of an issue, and the only problem now is that Orchid recently got her Wen stuck in the filter. She's fine, and the filter's been fixed so thus far, they're all doin' great. :)

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