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Should I Keep White Cloud Mountain Minnows With Fancy Goldfish


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HI,

I have a 200 litre tank and have 5 fancy goldfish and 10 white Cloud Mountain minnows which the guy at the pet store told me would be fine together. Something seems to be stressing the fish and making them sick and I have lost one (Pearlscale named Chops). The tank has cycled tested the water and all levels are normal. I am wondering if there are too many Minnows or is something else wrong?. They have been named by the kids and I found that I have become rather attached to them and am desperately trying not to loose any more. They are not near a window or radiator but the house would have fluctuations in temp not being there for 10 hours a day it is not heated when we are out, can this affect a tank this size?

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Nope not a good idea. First off your tank most likely dont hold 50 gallons and fancy goldfish need 20 for the first one and 10 for each atter. Commons needs 20 gallons each. Also the goldfish well get big enough to eat them.

I would set up a nice planted tank for the minnows.

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The tank holds 52.8 gallons stones and plants would displace about 3 gallons. I don't have anywhere else I could set up another tank all the free space would either be near windows or radiators or be in direct sunlight. I can return the minnows to the pet shop but I would be unable to choose between the goldfish, do you think that 5 might be OK or will they keep getting stressed?. The (specialist) at the pet store told me I could keep about 14 fancy goldfish and 10 Minnows in my tank and was trying to sell me that amount.

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5 fancy goldfish should be ok in a 50 gallon as long as you keep up with water changes and your tank is cycled. Weekly water changes of 50%-75% should suffice. Your pet store "Specialist" is sadly mistaken. Most of the pet store owners know nothing about goldfish and all the wastes they produce and want to sell you as many as possible just to get rid of them. Mnay of them don't realise that they're not as clean as tropicals.

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5 fancy goldfish should be ok in a 50 gallon as long as you keep up with water changes and your tank is cycled. Weekly water changes of 50%-75% should suffice. Your pet store "Specialist" is sadly mistaken. Most of the pet store owners know nothing about goldfish and all the wastes they produce and want to sell you as many as possible just to get rid of them. Mnay of them don't realise that they're not as clean as tropicals.

Unfortunatley this is so true. most of them either don't care or don't really know the requirements goldies need.

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The (specialist) at the pet store told me I could keep about 14 fancy goldfish and 10 Minnows in my tank and was trying to sell me that amount.

Unfortunately the guy was trying to make whatever sale that he could. I'd take the White Clouds back to your LFS, keep your 5 GF and stay up on your water parameters to ensure that your water quality is in check. Remember that you'll need at least 500 gph on filtration. Best of luck! ;)

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My 55 only holds 42 gallons. There is more to figuring what you tanks hold then just gravel ect... You have to messure the inside and the fill line.... Someone have me a link for that maybe they can share the link with you. Or I can see if I can find it.

Good luck

PS ok found one. Just remember you measure the inside and to the fill line not the top.

http://www.firsttankguide.net/calculator.php

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I was researching the tank and have just discovered it is a 190 litre and not a 200 litre as I was told . Thanks for the info on how to work out actual volume the curve makes it very difficult. I also found some info that curved tanks can hold less fish. Here is a link to the tank, mine is different colour but same spec http://www.bigappleherp.com/Fluval-Venezia-190-Corner-Aquarium-Set-in-Black-Oak

I trusted these people and assumed they had some level of expertise seems they even contradict each other.

Just a couple more silly questions

Do I actually need my air pump and airstones ? they seem to be splashing water onto the lights and lid.

Would the tank benefit from some kind of cleaner fish or would it just cause more problems?

Appreciate any help on this, my husband bought the tank but is always travelling so the care of them has been thrust upon me. They are amazing creatures and I have decided that I cannot send any goldfish back and would love to have them healthy. They weren't great when we got them but they all swim around together now in a little school.

Many thanks

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Yes air stones help with oxygenation of the water. Especially if you have a lot of fish. Goldfish use A LOT of oxygen and this is one of the many reasons they cannot be kept in small tanks or bowls.

Do not get a cleaner fish. That will overstock the tank more and they have a tendency to eat the slime coating off of goldfish and they get very big. They're not worth the trouble.

:) I hope your goldfish remain happy and healthy and if you have anymore questions feel free to ask :heart

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You don't have to have an air stone. I have one cause I llke the look. As long as you have 10xfilteration you should have plenty of top water movement to keep you oxygen level up.

Does the tank not have a top? If not I would see about getting one. Goldfish can and do jump out.

Since your overstocked I would not get any more fish. You can clean the tank yourself. Most "cleaner" fish don't do as good as a job as you can. I just keep the front of my tank cleaned off.

Be sure to keep up with extra water canges. Maybe every three to four days until you can rehme or get a larger tank or maybe just a second tank. And keep testitng the water daily and do even more water changes if needed.

Good luck

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Thanks for the responses the tank does have a lid it is in 3 sections the double light in the underside of the middle section but is always dripping wet from the splashes when the bubbles pop the light looks to be in a sealed unit but I'm sure it shouldn't be wet all the time. I am hoping we are escape proof for now, never knew they could jump out though, thanks for the heads up on that one. They seem to be better now fingers and toes crossed they stay that way.

What is the right way to bring up the temperature of the water when doing these 50% water changes? it is -8 degrees C here at the moment and the water from the tap is nearly freezing. Is it ok just to add a little hot water to each bucket of really cold water?.

Sorry I'm being a pain but I really don't want to harm any of them because I may be doing the wrong thing.

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What is the right way to bring up the temperature of the water when doing these 50% water changes? it is -8 degrees C here at the moment and the water from the tap is nearly freezing. Is it ok just to add a little hot water to each bucket of really cold water?.

If you're using the bucket system as I do, the best way is to use a tank thermometer to adjust the water temperature from your faucet to match the temperature of your tank. It's critical that your water temperatures match otherwise you'll stress your fish which will lead to death. Matching water temp will make you succeed with your GF.

Best of luck! ;)

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