Regular Member enesta Posted November 10, 2010 Regular Member Share Posted November 10, 2010 My new telescope eye is about twice the size of my black moor and s/he had been coming up behind the black moor and budding against him. I thought and others thought (after I showed video) that it could be mating. But s/he hasn't stopped and now s/he does it during feeding. The orange fella will push the smaller black moor away from the food. Is there a remedy to this that doesn't include separating the two? I also was having problems with their poop - it was dark with air bubbles. I think I fixed that by soaking food first, but now this poop appeared, According to koko's descriptions it could be underfeeding or stress (it's the same color as their food). I doubt it's stress, so maybe I'm not feeding enough? I feed two pinches of omega 1 pellets a day. The pinches take them at least 5 minutes to finish eating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member ashlee18 Posted November 10, 2010 Regular Member Share Posted November 10, 2010 Trailing poop is a sign of overfeeding. They say a goldfish's stomach is about the size of its eye. So depending on the food, you might need to feed one pellet, three or five. The food I feed my guys is really small so they get five each and it takes them about ten seconds to eat it all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin koko Posted November 10, 2010 Admin Share Posted November 10, 2010 If your fish's poo keeps looking like that, I would just do a nice cleansing and give them nothing but peas for 3 days hun 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member enesta Posted November 10, 2010 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 10, 2010 What about the bullying? That's my biggest issue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin koko Posted November 10, 2010 Admin Share Posted November 10, 2010 Could you get a pic of them but with there front end... i want to see if one of them is a Male... The pectoral fins and gills 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member enesta Posted November 11, 2010 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 11, 2010 Here are a few... and a funny bonus shot, He/she also has a much bigger mouth and gets more food (probably most of the food) than the black moor, just sucks it up like a vacuum. Ironically I got this fella so that the moor could get food easier than with his last mate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member jody Posted November 11, 2010 Regular Member Share Posted November 11, 2010 You can try a netted breeding box to seperate them during feeding so that they get their fair share. I shared a tip on it once. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member number20121 Posted November 11, 2010 Regular Member Share Posted November 11, 2010 (edited) I wonder if temporary separation would help, and during this time you feed Slate several small meals a day while Penelope gets only very little once a day. Just enough to not make her starve, to try to fatten Slate up a bit. I don't see breeding stars on either one of them, and in the photos the pectoral fin doesn't show well enough to tell me the gender. Then again for the longest time I thought my Orange Fishie was a boy and now she turns out to be a girl too - all SEVEN of my fish... Edited November 11, 2010 by Oerba Yun Fang 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member enesta Posted November 12, 2010 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 12, 2010 Well I don't have resources for separation unfortunately, unless I buy a tank divider. I could try the breeder box thing, but picking him up twice a day and putting him in there seems stressful and potentially damaging to fins. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member shellbell4ever Posted November 12, 2010 Regular Member Share Posted November 12, 2010 I find the tank dividers at the lps a bit pricey so i would recommend craft canvas from your local wally world its much cheaper..as for the bullying you could also pick up a plastic Colander from your local dollar store and float the bully init for a bit, kind of like a time out 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporter Helen Posted November 12, 2010 Supporter Share Posted November 12, 2010 i agree with koko and the peas.. at least this may fix the poop problem.. but as far as bullying goes it's hard to say.. there are never any "real" solutions and a few members have actually rehomed the bully fish because no matter what was happening, it just wasn't working. i had an issue once and i created the "naughty tank".. basically, i set up the qt in sight of the main tank and put jewel and hershey in there for two weeks. this was maaaaany months ago.. it seemed to have solved the problem, but jewel has from time to time strutted her stuff again.. hershey on the other hand has remained peaceful. an el cheapo colander as suggested by shellbell is a great idea to seperate whilst feeding. you don't need to pick any of them up, you just swoop the colander in there and trap whichever fish you want to seperate. i then pin it to the glass with a veggie clip and release when feeding is pretty much done. make sure the rim of the colander is flush or just above the surface of the water so that the trapped fish cannot free itself. just make sure there is enough room in there for him.. being a colander, the water will flow through with no problems. good luck 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member enesta Posted November 12, 2010 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 12, 2010 Thanks for the tips - I tried the colander thing. Penelope wasn't scared, just seemed annoyed. It seemed to work though - I fed Penelope a pea while Slate was able to eat. I then tried to put Slate in the colander to see how he'd take it - he was more scared. As soon as Penelope got out she went and bullied him - I think she was thinking there was food she was missing out on, but she calmed down as of now. I'll keep trying it, even though it's a bit of a hassle/tough to get her in there, I'll have to look for a better shaped one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporter Helen Posted November 12, 2010 Supporter Share Posted November 12, 2010 good work.. keep us updated as you go.. perhaps we can suggest more options that may work for you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member jody Posted November 12, 2010 Regular Member Share Posted November 12, 2010 They don't need to be picked up with the breeding box, you just scoop them in the water and then hook to the side with the hooks. The netting is really soft and won't damage them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin koko Posted November 12, 2010 Admin Share Posted November 12, 2010 Well they are both girls so breeding doesnt seem to be the problem, How big is the tank hun? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member enesta Posted November 13, 2010 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 13, 2010 It's a 29 gallon with, as of tonight 350ish GPH filtration. You can really tell they're both females? Why the heck is one chasing the other from behind? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin koko Posted November 13, 2010 Admin Share Posted November 13, 2010 This is looking more like a personality conflict with them, I have had fish in the past that did this, so much so one of them was sucking the eyes off on of my other fish, no joke I saw it I could tell from the photos, the pectoral fins were thin and no pearls on it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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