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Flukes And Dropsy At The Same Time?


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[*]Ammonia Level? 0 ppm

[*]Nitrite Level? 0 ppm

[*]Nitrate level? 0-5 ppm

[*]Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)? 7.5

[*]Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)? 7.5

[*]Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API drops

[*]Water temperature? 75

[*]Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 20 gallons, almost 3 months (I know it's to small and I'm planning to upgrade in the future)

[*]What is the name and size of the filter(s)? Tetra/Whisper 10-30 gallons

[*]How often do you change the water and how much? 2-3 times a week, 25% each time

[*]How many fish in the tank and their size? 3 (2 commons, 1 comet), about 2.5 inches each

[*]What kind of water additives or conditioners? stresscoat

[*]What do you feed your fish and how often? progold 5 times a week, peas 2-3 times a week, cheddar cheese once a week, freeze dried bloodworms twice a week

[*]Any new fish added to the tank? No

[*]Any medications added to the tank? Started prazi pro treatment yesterday because they were diagnosed with flukes (with the help of kokos members)

[*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? The two commons MAY have slightly raised scales, but I'm not sure whether I'm just imagining it or not (thankfully they've never had dropsy before, so I don't know that the initial stage looks like - their scales definitely don't look like those in advances stages of which I've seen pictures online). When looking at them from the top, I can't see any pine coning at all. It only looks like some of the scales towards the lower front may be slightly raised when I look at them from the side. There are no other dropsy symptoms as far as I can tell... Please also take a look at the photos below and advise whether this looks like dropsy or not. I put arrows on the photos to help you see which scales I'm talking about.

[*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Some bottom sitting, which I assumed was due to flukes, but great appetite.

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I know these photos aren't great but it was the best I could do... Hopefully they are clear enough for you to determine whether there is something going on.

I do have metromeds, medigold, and jumpstart available, so please let me know if I need to give them any of these. Also, is it safe to treat them with these during the prazi treatment?

Thanks and I hope I won't hear bad news about my goldies :(

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I don't think it's dropsy unless someone else sees something I don't. It just looks like the glittering from their scales. Also if they had dropsy they would most likely stop eating so you should be fine. I wouldn't treat them with anything just yet other than the prazi.

If I'm wrong someone please correct me :o

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I prefer the top shots to be more certain if the scales seem to protrude or not but the last two top view shots seem a little too blurry to be certain about this. Could you try getting a few more top view shots. Honestly though, only you can really tell us if it's really sticking out unless you are able to get some accurate shots. If you are sure you cannot see pineconing, then I don't see any indications of dropsy at all. The tummy doesn't look unusually distended to me.

Until then, I'd just keep close watch for now and focus on prazi treatment. Cheer up. Your fish will get over it soon. Just be positive and be consistent with what you're doing.:)

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Thanks a lot for the replies! I definitely don't see pineconing when I look at them from the top... But I do see what I think are the edges of a few scales "sticking out" when I look at them from the side. I will try to get more shots from the top though and post them later. To be honest, I didn't think it was dropsy either, but I always prefer making sure instead of regretting later that I didn't look into it more and ask for advice from people with more experience. Thanks again!

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You guys are basically the same colour as mine, and the edge of his scales has some color variation as it gets a bit darker where they overlap. From the side, they look slightly raised, but from the top, they look fine. Very tricky. My eyes went all crossed trying to focus on them haha.

Basically, when viewed from the top, if there is no gap between the edge of the scale and the scale immediately underneath it, it's not pineconing. I watched recently as Noodles pineconed, and he's a very small 1" bodylength fish, the gap developed over a couple of days as the scales started to stick out more and more. Where they would follow the curve of his rear to meet at his tail, the scales began to raise ever so slightly, and from the side, it's harder to detect. However, from the top, the edges became visibly detached from the adjoining scale, and even though I noticed it on the first day, it was a bit too late for Noodles. The initial point where the scales start to raise is really hard to detect with small fish, and I watch Dumpling very closely every day to make sure that his are fine.

Edited becos my speling badd.

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