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The past year has definately not been a good year for me when it comes to fish keeping. In a matter of about a week, I lost every single fish I had in my 20 gallon tank, and the same thing happened in my 10 gallon tank only a matter of months later. Between May and August, I lost every single one of my fish except for my ancient Beta, Barney, who is in an entirely different 1 gallon tank and doing just fine. I decided to give up on getting anymore fish. But last week, a new pet store opened in my town, and finally they actually have some different fish then the other two places. So I've decided to give it another shot. However, I don't want to be a fish murderer, so I want all the help I can get. I want to learn everything possible about being the best tropical fish owner you can be. I know I did a lot of things wrong last time, like not allowing my fish to have their normal schooling numbers, not doing enough water changes, and overstocking, but I want to change that. I'd really like to get some more fish, so I want all the help I can get. What do I need to do to properly cycle my tanks, how many fish can I house in my tank, what should I feed them, etc. Any advice is greatly appreciated. I really just need to study a bit more for awhile before I get any more fish, so if any of you can help get me on the right track, I would really appreciate it. Thanks!

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Ok second time I am doing this today but here is a link that explains cycle. http://www.fishforums.com/forum/beginner-f...r-new-tank.html.

Also what kind of fish and don't say tropical be specific. Amount of fish you can "house" depends on tank size and kind of fish. You might be able to find a 4 inch Oscar but you won't want him in your 20 gallon cause well he'll be too big in three days. Google anything ask anything look for other forums as well the more info the better this one is great but if you want another great one send me a message I have another great one but not fair to Koko to advertise here. It supplements info I get here so I use both often. Be smart study what you are going to buy. Get good fish. Tetras and junk like that are ok but you might really want a more aggressive and larger fish figure it out.

Best luck little bro.

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http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/cycle.html

Welcome back to fishkeeping! :) The above link will tell you how to cycle your tank.

The easiest fish for me have been zebra danios and hatchetfish. Other good choices are platies, cories and guppies--you really can't go wrong there.

I would put 4-5 hatchets, 4-5 danios and maybe 3 pepper cories in your 20 gal and 2-3 male guppies with a couple platies in the 10 gal. My danios nipped the fins off my albino cories but they never bothered my spotted cory so be careful there. Also, some guppies have trouble getting food if in with the faster hatchets and danios. You can try them together but move them around if it doesn't work.

I clean my tanks every weekend--it's really not good to go longer than that. I vacuum the gravel and change about 40-50% of the water as I'm a bit overstocked myself! I feed once a day and vary between tropical flakes, freezdried bloodworms and brine shrimp. Most of the fish enjoy a mashed up pea now and then. The cories like sinking pellets made for them, as well.

Hope this helps a little--sorry about all your losses. I'm sure it will work out much better now that you've learned so much from past experience. :exactly

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fishlord, please be patient with yourself. I'm renewing my fish-fancy, too, after many years. I forgot everything when I started 3 weeks ago. The folks on this forum are incredibly patient and helpful. Hang in there!

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fishlord1, i know how you feel. About 5 months ago, i had the same thing happen to my tank. One day everything was fine and the next they were all dead. Well, since than i have decided to start keeping fancy goldfish, this is my first time with them and i love it.

With that said, i always added just a couple of small fish to cycle my tank. A basic rule for tropical fish for stocking, 1 inch of fish (use the adult size of the fish) per gallon of water.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/general.cfm?c=3578&gid=388, i posted an attachment to a web site, it gives some good information about tropical fish.

Good luck and i hope this helps (at least a little).

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Thank you for all the responses! Actually, I am now only left with my 10 gallon, the 20 gallon is gone. However, I am hoping to get a new tank. The best part is, my mom said that I can buy any size tank I want IF I can save the money for it. She's not buying it this time. But now I have $150 and still trying to find anyway possible to get more. I think she's worried that I'm going to come home with a tank the size of our living room :D . I know, I meant to be more specific last night, but I was tired as heck and didn't feel like typing, lol. Loaches are my absolute favorite, but I don't plan on getting any of them until I can get a larger tank, because they wouldn't do well in just a ten gallon, right? Any kind of danio tetra, barb, rosbora, those types of things are great as well. Cory cats are great too. No I don't plan to shove every one of the above species into my 10 gallon tank, just stating the ones I like to answer somebody's previous question. The cycling was the big issue, last time I don't think I did it right, I'm going to work on that. Thank you for posting the link. Thanks guys, this is helping. Oh, and Kristi, I used to have some hatchetfish in my 20 gallon when it was first set up like in like 2002. But an ice storm hit and we lost power, and all the fish that were in there died. But luckily now we have a generator, so no need to worry if that happens again. And also, this is incredibly random but how do you change the age by your name thingy? It still says I'm 11, but I turned 13 like, a month ago. Anybody know how to fix that? Thanks guys, this is a big help! I hope I can finally be able to bring home some fish without being terrified of losing them.

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Next time ice storm hits really what you need (cause you'll want generator power for your life not and comfort not fishes) take out the filter media and place it in the tank water. Also as a back up battery operated power head are ideal. If you do no have battery operated power heads think of tank like dinner and come by and stir the water (mix it by hand) to get water flow fairly regularly that will help fish get oxygen but more importantly now your bb is using that same oxygen in tank water. This is way to save from losing those bacteria.

Dude with 150 you are on your way to a nice sized tank in 55 gallon neighbourhood already. If you like loaches by the big tank and get some loaches. What kind of loaches you like?

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Oh any kind really. My favorite are probably Kuhlis, but I love any kind I can find. The stores around me sell kuhli, black kuhli, dojo, gold dojo, horseface, skunk, orange-finned, yo-yo, clown (which I know get huge), and one more kind, the name of which I don't remember, I think it started with an A. I would love to get some loaches, I had a few of the smaller ones before. I'd probably have to stay away from the clowns because even though they're pretty, and even if I could get a tank large enough to house one, they'd probably bully any of the smaller loaches or other fish, right? And don't some loaches like to school? That would be another thing that I would need to take into consideration.

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Since you love loaches, do a loach tank. Do your research on full grown sizes, and figure on 1 inch per 2 gallon as per full size measurement. I would suggest also checking out their territorial nature per fish, not species. Some small loaches are worse than the large ones. Plan your tank out according to the kinds you have available or mail order some special ones.

Different loaches like different type tanks. Some like it rocky, others prefer logs or planted. Try to keep it to one type and that will make it easier to maintain in a tank. Hope this helps.

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What I think I might do is go around to the pet stores around here, look at the species that I like, narrow what ones to get down based on the tank size and that type of stuff, then work from there based on what the ones that I've chosen prefer. That way I'll know what to do for the species that I buy before I get them. But first, I'm going to need to worry about the tank. Is one type of cycle better then the other? Like, does it really matter if you do fishless cycling or cycling with fish? Also, I'm going to need to consider what size tank to get. The tank will be the first thing that I'll need to do after I do a little more research.

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Fishlord, orry to hear about your rough year. It sounds like you're doing everything right this time around though, doing lots of research on the needs of your tank and the fish you like. Best of luck, and be patient, nobody starts out knowing everything there is to know about fish keeping. It's a learning process, and you're in the right place :) Good luck, and keep us posted.

To answer your question, I like fishless. But it takes longer and is less stable, so it takes more patience to get it right. But just for me personally, not making a fish go through cycling is worth it. If you know anyone near by with a healthy tank, you could run your filter on their tank and 'borrow' some bacteria.

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ok I am not allowed to pm you so I will just do it like this. Go to www.monsterfishkeepers.com you fill find that there will be someone there who knows way too much about loaches and setups for them. Just get a name and start a thread asking about loach stocking that site is amazing.

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I bought a book today from a book store around here about setting up and maintaining aquariums, so I'm going to read through that. I have the patience to go through a fishless cycling, and that's what I was thinking of too because I didn't want to have any fish die in the process. I'm going to buy another tank from the new pet store and use my 10 gallon as a quarentine (another thing that I didn't do yet should have done last time) tank for when I get more fish later on, so that will need to be cycled as well. That page that somebody gave me the link to will help me with the cycling once I get my new tank (size depends on how much money I can get). Yea balashark, this last year pretty much sucked, I thought I finally had the tanks stable. Oh well, I guess it's a learning experience (even though it's sad that my fish had to die at the expense of my education). The substrate, plants, and decorations will mostly depend on what I learn that my loaches (and anything else I might decide to get) will prefer. I'm hoping to do live plants this time rather then artificial ones, but that too will require more research. So the main thing to worry about right now is figure out exactly what fish I want and researching them (and the plants). Is there a certain type of filter that is reccomended by anybody? I used the penguin marineland biowheel on my 20 gallon. I know the size of the filter will depend on what size tank I get, but I just want to know if one brand is better then another. Thanks for all your help!

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You can fine great deals on aquarium on craigslist, you can also check ebay to see if anybody has aquaruims listed for sale in your area.

Rummage sales are a good place but you have to go to a lot of them to find one that has an aquarium. This summer at a rummage sale I bought a 30 gallon long aquarium with iron stand, hood, filter, and 2 Ten gallon aquariums with hood and filter for $80. At another rummage sale I bought a 20 gallon aquarium with hood,filter and nice wood stand for $10.

You can also check to see if your local aquaruim club has an auction. Aquaruims at the auctions usually go for cheap. At my local aquaruim club auction I got a 30 gallon breeder aquaruim for $26. A 40 Gallon Breeder aquaruim for $42. A 20 gallon aquaruim with nice wood stand and hood for $15.

There are some good deals out there if you know where to look. You can also find good deals on 55, 75, 125, 150 gallon aquariums. I didn't buy any of those because the smaller aquaruims fit my needs better at this time.

My prefered filter is the "AquaClear". I have 10 of them and plan on buying a few more. (I don't use any of the filters that I get with my aquaruim deals unless it's an AquaClear)I run mine with 2-3 sponges in the basket. Then any time I want to start a new aquaruim I don't have to bother with cycling the tank. I just fill the new aquarium half with water from another tank and half with new water. Put sponges from a running aquarium into the new Aquaclear making it instantly cyclied and ready to add fish.

AquaClear is one of the best filters you can get.

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Ok dude if you want go cheap aquaclear filter here http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod...3&catid=115 and I know some people who actually got working AC's from this site so apparently its no joke. Anyways I also have penguin biowheel. Mine is a bit up the ladder but it does a fantastic job I have no complaints this is personal pref. Have fun research is my favourite part of being a fish keeper. As you see everyone has lots of good ideas so never be scared to throw something out there and see what comes back.

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I looked at the AquaClear filters on that site and the prices aren't bad. I've bought some Aquaclears on sale at my local pet store for cheaper so their still making money. Drs. Foster & Smith retail store is only 250 -300 miles away from me.

On craigslist in my area there's a

75 gallon aquaruim, tank top light, heater, whisper filter for $100

75 gallon All Glass aquarium with stand,glass top,light and heater for $150

Sometimes you can find aquariums over 100 gallons for cheap. There a little harder to find because there aren't as many really big tanks out there.

When you do get a big tank you will need a python for the water changes.

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A 75 with light/heater/filter for $100? I might just drive to Wisconsin to get that! It's a steal! No one ever sells anything good and cheap in Chicago. People want too much money!

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So y'all are happy with the aquaclears? I bought one (110 model) for my 55 tropical last summer when its filters crashed and I couldn't afford the big fluval I wanted. So far it's been great, but it's not a year yet so... Loved the idea of separate cartridges so went for this one.

My 29 goldie tank (hope to upgrade soon) has an ancient whisper 40 on it which has given years of great service- always liked the old whispers, haven't tried the new. I do have a bag of bio-chem beads shoved in the case after the cartridge. It has an undergravel with a deep bed also (Snotface doesn't shovel too bad). At this point, when I can upgrade, I'll be adding another aquaclear.

I LOVE the idea of the biowheels, but was never impressed by the penguin/emperor filters, never gave me the performance my whispers did. Anybody ever tried to retrofit a biowheel onto another brand filter?

I second craigslist and kijiji- seen great deals around here on both. If I wasn't broke, I could have picked up a 400 with all the fittings for $400 a couple months ago.

Check yardsales also- a few weeks ago I got a spare 10 with hood, filter, gravel and decorations for $1. Keep an eye out at chain petstores for clearance stuff also- picked up a 20" full flourescent hood at one of the big national chain ones for $7.50. Shops going out of business could be a great way to pick up cheap stuff also.

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I saw a 240 gallon on Craiglist in my area for $460, and now I have $300, gargantuan tank though. However, I can afford a 90 gallon now, which isn't nearly as big, yet has plenty of room for fish. I've done a lot of research on fish, live plants, and basically everything else needed. I'm going to start cycling my 10 gallon tank and use it as a quarentine tank. With my sudden large increase in cash, my mom is beginning to regret ever saying that I could get any size I can afford, because now she knows that I actually CAN afford one of massive size. But she'll keep her word, I'm sure. I'll keep you guys informed on how everything goes!

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