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What exactly is a phoenix goldfish? I named my ryukin Phoenix (after the mythical firebird) and when I found out there was an actual phoenix goldfish I got to wondering.

Is it just a variation on a different breed? All my google searches have been in vain!

Please help!

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ACtually, that picture is of my froghead, Kermit. He is a calico froghead with a "phoenix tail"..... a froghead being a fish that has reduced "bubbles" under the eyes.A "phoenix tail" is a long tail that is double, forked and ideally equal to or more thanthe length of the fish's body. Many different types of fish can carry a "phoenix tail" - there are phoenix tailed Ranchu/Lionhead. There are Phoenix tailed Frogheads - Kermit being one.A true Phoenix is a breed of fish that is dorsalless - remenicine of the old fashioned Egg fish - a dorsalless fish that does not have a wen. The "Blue Phoenix" is one of the rarest fish around - they used to be fish of "royalty" and were considered extinct until not too long ago. There is a small faction of people who are seeking to bring the Blue Phoenix back, with a modicum of success.I have 3 Blue Phoenix. My first cross with them, however yielded some 200 fry. I spread these around with many different people - but only a fraction of them have lived. Of these, only a small number are actually "Blue" - none as good a blue as the parents. Others have reverted to "red/orange/green"..... genetics unknown! The Blue Phoenix and Red Phoenix that I have did not breed this past year.I currently have 3 Blue, 4 green, 5 red and 1 black/red Phoenix fish. Here are some pictures.......

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Wow, ok thanks! I was wondering if it was just a variation, but now I see it is indeed it's own very gorgeous fish!

I definately like these better than ranchu/lionheads......Something about 'wen-ed' fish is just creepy to me.... :blink:

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I have 12 Blue Egg Phoenix coming next week, 6 for me 6 for another breeder. Hopefully we'll get this line established in the Northwest.

I'll put pictures up on my site once they are in tank.

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David

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ACtually, that picture is of my froghead, Kermit. He is a calico froghead with a "phoenix tail"..... a froghead being a fish that has reduced "bubbles" under the eyes.A "phoenix tail" is a long tail that is double, forked and ideally equal to or more thanthe length of the fish's body. Many different types of fish can carry a "phoenix tail" - there are phoenix tailed Ranchu/Lionhead. There are Phoenix tailed Frogheads - Kermit being one.A true Phoenix is a breed of fish that is dorsalless - remenicine of the old fashioned Egg fish - a dorsalless fish that does not have a wen. The "Blue Phoenix" is one of the rarest fish around - they used to be fish of "royalty" and were considered extinct until not too long ago. There is a small faction of people who are seeking to bring the Blue Phoenix back, with a modicum of success.I have 3 Blue Phoenix. My first cross with them, however yielded some 200 fry. I spread these around with many different people - but only a fraction of them have lived. Of these, only a small number are actually "Blue" - none as good a blue as the parents. Others have reverted to "red/orange/green"..... genetics unknown! The Blue Phoenix and Red Phoenix that I have did not breed this past year.I currently have 3 Blue, 4 green, 5 red and 1 black/red Phoenix fish. Here are some pictures.......

The phoenix varieties are by far my favorite fish.

There is also a top view, Japanese "phoenix" variety.

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ACtually, that picture is of my froghead, Kermit. He is a calico froghead with a "phoenix tail"..... a froghead being a fish that has reduced "bubbles" under the eyes.A "phoenix tail" is a long tail that is double, forked and ideally equal to or more thanthe length of the fish's body. Many different types of fish can carry a "phoenix tail" - there are phoenix tailed Ranchu/Lionhead. There are Phoenix tailed Frogheads - Kermit being one.A true Phoenix is a breed of fish that is dorsalless - remenicine of the old fashioned Egg fish - a dorsalless fish that does not have a wen. The "Blue Phoenix" is one of the rarest fish around - they used to be fish of "royalty" and were considered extinct until not too long ago. There is a small faction of people who are seeking to bring the Blue Phoenix back, with a modicum of success.I have 3 Blue Phoenix. My first cross with them, however yielded some 200 fry. I spread these around with many different people - but only a fraction of them have lived. Of these, only a small number are actually "Blue" - none as good a blue as the parents. Others have reverted to "red/orange/green"..... genetics unknown! The Blue Phoenix and Red Phoenix that I have did not breed this past year.I currently have 3 Blue, 4 green, 5 red and 1 black/red Phoenix fish. Here are some pictures.......

Hehe, wheres mine hun? :lol

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Well, when you get yours going, I would like to see if I can buy/trade for a few - I would like to introduce new "blood" into my blue Phoenix. All I have left right now are 3 males in the blue color!

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Hi Daryl

Great, breeders are first on the list as the goal is to keep this fish around, but I'm sure there will be pet fish around too.

Are yours from the goldfish pagoda import line?

Do you have any that are of this line that have decolored? Could you send a picture? At what age did they decolor?

I've been discussing the genetics of this fish with a couple people and there appears to be a bit of decoloring later in life but it looks like everyone is passing around fish that were obtained by spawning younger fish.

This can put the blue gene at risk of being constantly diluted.

I can't PM due to the bogus restrictions on this site, can you please pm me or contact me through my site?

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David

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Those are lovely fish, David! I see some with fused tails - how is the percentage in that? I am interested to hear how they'll do with age, if the color stays solid or not. It is such a delicate color. Is that your first blue PHoenix package from the pagoda line, or do you have experience with their fish? :)

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I have 12 Blue Egg Phoenix coming next week, 6 for me 6 for another breeder. Hopefully we'll get this line established in the Northwest.

I'll put pictures up on my site once they are in tank.

Best fishes

David

www....................com

Hi where u got so many Buld Egg Phoenix ?? how much of them?? they are very rare in China now, I Hope I can get some for breed

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I have to say, I'm a big fan of flowy fins! (I always wish for my comets to grow big, strong, colorful, and with LONG FINS!)

I believe I saw a phoenix-finned fantail at the GOOD pet store around here (It had its dorsal, but its fins were so FLOWY. Also, the only local store I've seen comets as non-feeder fish. Won my heart over instantly. <3). It was SO pretty, but at the moment, I don't have enough room for another fish! When I upgrade, I'm SO getting a flowy-finned goldie. MAYBE a fantail, but I have to say flowy is more likely. XP

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