Regular Member seheap Posted October 28, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted October 28, 2008 What exactly is a phoenix goldfish? I named my ryukin Phoenix (after the mythical firebird) and when I found out there was an actual phoenix goldfish I got to wondering. Is it just a variation on a different breed? All my google searches have been in vain! Please help! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member small_ranchu Posted October 28, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted October 28, 2008 This is phoneix fish belongs to daryl. http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/...st&id=10622 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member small_ranchu Posted October 28, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted October 28, 2008 more pic here http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfi...ish/eggfish.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Chrissy_Bee Posted October 28, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted October 28, 2008 They're realllllllllllly nice looking fish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member small_ranchu Posted October 28, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted October 28, 2008 And also very difficult to fine one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member daryl Posted October 29, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted October 29, 2008 ACtually, that picture is of my froghead, Kermit. He is a calico froghead with a "phoenix tail"..... a froghead being a fish that has reduced "bubbles" under the eyes.A "phoenix tail" is a long tail that is double, forked and ideally equal to or more thanthe length of the fish's body. Many different types of fish can carry a "phoenix tail" - there are phoenix tailed Ranchu/Lionhead. There are Phoenix tailed Frogheads - Kermit being one.A true Phoenix is a breed of fish that is dorsalless - remenicine of the old fashioned Egg fish - a dorsalless fish that does not have a wen. The "Blue Phoenix" is one of the rarest fish around - they used to be fish of "royalty" and were considered extinct until not too long ago. There is a small faction of people who are seeking to bring the Blue Phoenix back, with a modicum of success.I have 3 Blue Phoenix. My first cross with them, however yielded some 200 fry. I spread these around with many different people - but only a fraction of them have lived. Of these, only a small number are actually "Blue" - none as good a blue as the parents. Others have reverted to "red/orange/green"..... genetics unknown! The Blue Phoenix and Red Phoenix that I have did not breed this past year.I currently have 3 Blue, 4 green, 5 red and 1 black/red Phoenix fish. Here are some pictures....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Bubbleboy Posted October 29, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted October 29, 2008 Wow. Very very very unique kind of goldfish. It's nice to see a dorsal-less fish with long, flowing fins. Don't get me wrong, I love ranchus/lionheads, but this is a nice variation = ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member seheap Posted October 29, 2008 Author Regular Member Share Posted October 29, 2008 Wow, ok thanks! I was wondering if it was just a variation, but now I see it is indeed it's own very gorgeous fish! I definately like these better than ranchu/lionheads......Something about 'wen-ed' fish is just creepy to me.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member ichthius Posted November 12, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted November 12, 2008 I have 12 Blue Egg Phoenix coming next week, 6 for me 6 for another breeder. Hopefully we'll get this line established in the Northwest. I'll put pictures up on my site once they are in tank. Best fishes David www....................com 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member budbudford Posted November 19, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted November 19, 2008 ACtually, that picture is of my froghead, Kermit. He is a calico froghead with a "phoenix tail"..... a froghead being a fish that has reduced "bubbles" under the eyes.A "phoenix tail" is a long tail that is double, forked and ideally equal to or more thanthe length of the fish's body. Many different types of fish can carry a "phoenix tail" - there are phoenix tailed Ranchu/Lionhead. There are Phoenix tailed Frogheads - Kermit being one.A true Phoenix is a breed of fish that is dorsalless - remenicine of the old fashioned Egg fish - a dorsalless fish that does not have a wen. The "Blue Phoenix" is one of the rarest fish around - they used to be fish of "royalty" and were considered extinct until not too long ago. There is a small faction of people who are seeking to bring the Blue Phoenix back, with a modicum of success.I have 3 Blue Phoenix. My first cross with them, however yielded some 200 fry. I spread these around with many different people - but only a fraction of them have lived. Of these, only a small number are actually "Blue" - none as good a blue as the parents. Others have reverted to "red/orange/green"..... genetics unknown! The Blue Phoenix and Red Phoenix that I have did not breed this past year.I currently have 3 Blue, 4 green, 5 red and 1 black/red Phoenix fish. Here are some pictures....... The phoenix varieties are by far my favorite fish. There is also a top view, Japanese "phoenix" variety. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Chrissy_Bee Posted November 19, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted November 19, 2008 Oh man. For anyone who followed the 'saga' of the poor fish at Wally world that I never got (he was 'the one that got away' I guess)....I think he was a pheonix. Now I will never speak of him again....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin koko Posted November 19, 2008 Admin Share Posted November 19, 2008 ACtually, that picture is of my froghead, Kermit. He is a calico froghead with a "phoenix tail"..... a froghead being a fish that has reduced "bubbles" under the eyes.A "phoenix tail" is a long tail that is double, forked and ideally equal to or more thanthe length of the fish's body. Many different types of fish can carry a "phoenix tail" - there are phoenix tailed Ranchu/Lionhead. There are Phoenix tailed Frogheads - Kermit being one.A true Phoenix is a breed of fish that is dorsalless - remenicine of the old fashioned Egg fish - a dorsalless fish that does not have a wen. The "Blue Phoenix" is one of the rarest fish around - they used to be fish of "royalty" and were considered extinct until not too long ago. There is a small faction of people who are seeking to bring the Blue Phoenix back, with a modicum of success.I have 3 Blue Phoenix. My first cross with them, however yielded some 200 fry. I spread these around with many different people - but only a fraction of them have lived. Of these, only a small number are actually "Blue" - none as good a blue as the parents. Others have reverted to "red/orange/green"..... genetics unknown! The Blue Phoenix and Red Phoenix that I have did not breed this past year.I currently have 3 Blue, 4 green, 5 red and 1 black/red Phoenix fish. Here are some pictures....... Hehe, wheres mine hun? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member stevey87 Posted November 20, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted November 20, 2008 Whats the difference between eggfish and ranchu/lionhead? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member daryl Posted November 20, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted November 20, 2008 No wen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member ichthius Posted December 14, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted December 14, 2008 Here are a couple pictures of my fish: http://...................blogspot.com/2008/12...gg-phoenix.html Best fishes David www....................com 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member pearlscale808 Posted December 14, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted December 14, 2008 They're beautiful what I wouldn't gove to have phoenix egg fish I love their long fins. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member daryl Posted December 14, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted December 14, 2008 Well, when you get yours going, I would like to see if I can buy/trade for a few - I would like to introduce new "blood" into my blue Phoenix. All I have left right now are 3 males in the blue color! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member ichthius Posted December 14, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted December 14, 2008 (edited) Hi Daryl Great, breeders are first on the list as the goal is to keep this fish around, but I'm sure there will be pet fish around too. Are yours from the goldfish pagoda import line? Do you have any that are of this line that have decolored? Could you send a picture? At what age did they decolor? I've been discussing the genetics of this fish with a couple people and there appears to be a bit of decoloring later in life but it looks like everyone is passing around fish that were obtained by spawning younger fish. This can put the blue gene at risk of being constantly diluted. I can't PM due to the bogus restrictions on this site, can you please pm me or contact me through my site? Best fishes David www....................com Edited December 14, 2008 by Ichthius 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member newbiefishgirl Posted December 16, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted December 16, 2008 Beautiful fish! I love, love the long fins! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranchugirl Posted December 16, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted December 16, 2008 Those are lovely fish, David! I see some with fused tails - how is the percentage in that? I am interested to hear how they'll do with age, if the color stays solid or not. It is such a delicate color. Is that your first blue PHoenix package from the pagoda line, or do you have experience with their fish? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest clfls Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I have 12 Blue Egg Phoenix coming next week, 6 for me 6 for another breeder. Hopefully we'll get this line established in the Northwest.I'll put pictures up on my site once they are in tank. Best fishes David www....................com Hi where u got so many Buld Egg Phoenix ?? how much of them?? they are very rare in China now, I Hope I can get some for breed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Dannycarlbatt Posted February 24, 2009 Regular Member Share Posted February 24, 2009 wow very pretty, id like a few of those bet they're expensive though 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member holyk Posted July 3, 2009 Regular Member Share Posted July 3, 2009 I have to say, I'm a big fan of flowy fins! (I always wish for my comets to grow big, strong, colorful, and with LONG FINS!) I believe I saw a phoenix-finned fantail at the GOOD pet store around here (It had its dorsal, but its fins were so FLOWY. Also, the only local store I've seen comets as non-feeder fish. Won my heart over instantly. <3). It was SO pretty, but at the moment, I don't have enough room for another fish! When I upgrade, I'm SO getting a flowy-finned goldie. MAYBE a fantail, but I have to say flowy is more likely. XP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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