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I recently bought three small goldfish. I feed them flakes, and have tried baby shrimp, though I've found they don't like shrimp that much. The tank is three gallons, and I just cleaned it tonight. One of the goldfish is a black moor, and has developed three white-ish spots on the left side of his body (well, I think it's a him... I'm not really sure how to tell that, either). Is this a problem? And what can I do about it?

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Hello and welcome to Koko's.

There are a few things going on with your fish. First, they are much too crowded. As a general rule you should allow 10 gallons of tank space per fancy goldfish. So if you have three fish you need at least a 30 gallon tank. Most serious goldfish keepers allow more -- for instance I have a 75 gallon tank with six fancy goldfish in it. The reason that goldfish need more room than other fish (even when they are small) is that they make a lot more waste than other fish. If there is not enough water then the waste builds up to dangerous levels very quickly and poisons the fish.

Second, you don't mention if you have a filter on your tank and how much water you change when you clean the tank. Even a large enough tank goes through a period called "new tank syndrome" during which time fish waste accumulates because the filter does not contain enough beneficial bacteria to convert the fish waste into a safer form. Generally it takes about 6 weeks for your filter to mature. During this time you have to perform frequent large water changes to keep the water safe for your fish.

It is always extra difficult to see what's going on with a black fish, but I can 100% guarantee you that the white spots on your fish are related to poor water quality. They may be a fungus, but you absolutely must not use antifungal medication in your current set-up because the combination of metabolic wastes and medication will be very toxic to your fish and will kill them.

At this point I would recommend one of three things:

  • Purchase at least a 29 gallon tank and a large (at least 300 gph) filter -- this is what will be needed to keep three fish healthy.
  • Return two of the fish and purchase a ten gallon aquarium. Long term this really won't be enough to enable even a single fish to grow to its full potential but would be okay for a while.
  • Return the three goldfish and get a betta to put in the three gallon tank.

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P.S. Until you decide what to do, you should change 100% of the water in your tank at least twice a day in order to keep the fish safe. Be sure to match the temperature of the old and the new water and treat the water with dechlorinator.

Good luck!

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I recently bought three small goldfish. I feed them flakes, and have tried baby shrimp, though I've found they don't like shrimp that much. The tank is three gallons, and I just cleaned it tonight. One of the goldfish is a black moor, and has developed three white-ish spots on the left side of his body (well, I think it's a him... I'm not really sure how to tell that, either). Is this a problem? And what can I do about it?

It sounds like your moor is getting ich, that is, if the white spots look like little grains of salt. Regardless of exactly what this is, your fish are doomed to getting one type of sickness or another, and more than likely, many sicknesses all together. One goldfish alone needs a very minimum of 10 gallons of water. You have three goldfish. You should have a 30 gallon tank. You have a 3 gallon tank. This is a recipe for disaster. And it is likely that your filter is equally undersized. You must figure out how to get these poor fish into something larger or I doubt they will last a week. With 3 goldfish in a 3 gallon tank, you are going to need to do a 100% water change probably 3-4 times a day. If you can't afford a 30 gallon aquarium, you can always get a 30 gallon rubbermaid tub/container and put your goldfish in there. Goldfish need filtration that moves 10 times the water per hour as the size of the tank. So, if you have a 30 gallon tank or tub, you will need a 300 gph filter. You must have a filter at least this big. Are you dechlorinating your water at your water changes? How often do you change your water? Do you test your water? If all your moor has is 3 spots and your other fish don't display any symptoms of diseases, infections, etc., , if you get your fish into a proper sized tank with proper filtration, you may be able to catch it from getting worse. However, aside from the most important issue of getting your goldfish into a proper sized tank with proper filtration, we can't really help you with diagnosing the problem until you answer all of the questions we post at the top. So, give us as much information as you can by answering these questions and start working on a plan to get your fish into a larger tank/container and in the meantime, get drop test kits for ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and ph and do 100% water changes at least twice a day. Good luck and welcome to Kokos! :welcome

At this point I would recommend one of three things:

Purchase at least a 29 gallon tank and a large (at least 300 gph) filter -- this is what will be needed to keep three fish healthy.

Return two of the fish and purchase a ten gallon aquarium. Long term this really won't be enough to enable even a single fish to grow to its full potential but would be okay for a while.

Return the three goldfish and get a betta to put in the three gallon tank.

This is good advice and are your options.

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:welcome welcome to kokos im am i novice at fish keeping but i will tell you one thing important about this site listen to the experts!!! trust me just do it!
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Howdy and welcome.

::chuckling:: I'm with Mac. They helped save my fish and he was deathly ill. I too am a novice, but I am experienced enough to know that the two people already helping you, Acupunk and lynda441 are very good and know what they are talking about. If they don't know, they will refer you to a person who does. You are in good hands now. :)

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Thanks for the help. Knowing that they need so much more room really makes me angry at the petstore that sold them to me. They told me that each fish needed one gallon. I will start 100% water changes immediately until I can get a bigger aquarium. I appreciate the expertise!

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Thanks for the help. Knowing that they need so much more room really makes me angry at the petstore that sold them to me. They told me that each fish needed one gallon. I will start 100% water changes immediately until I can get a bigger aquarium. I appreciate the expertise!

The fish people there are prob tropical people not goldfish people. I know, I worked in the tropics department and treated gfs just like tropics. 2 inches per gallon with no salt 1 inch with. I was naive and so are they. Next time you go in and see the clerk that helped you, tell them. I do. I would prob say something like... "The goldfish they sold you got sick. When you talked to a GF specialist and they told you that Fancy's need 10g each and comets need 20g. Just thought they should know. That way other GF might not get sick, and they can sell larger aquariums to people who want own Goldfish. Helps everyone in the end." ;)

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Welcome to Koko's!

In addition to the great help and advice you've received so far, I recommend reading up on the goldfish care articles posted here. You're doing a great job so far.

As for the white spots: can you show us some pictures? They really help with diagnosis.

Please keep us posted, and give us as much of the information listed in the box at the top as possible.

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I understand your anger at them selling you the fish. I felt the same EXACT way at first. But what Roni said is sooo true. Since I've found this board I have spoken to a few of the people that gave me wrong information in the beginning. Some of them, well are just ____________ (fill in blank with whatever word you chose). And no matter how nice you are to them, they just know everything and that's it. But I have found that there are some that really just didn't know... and now that I've told them what this board taught me they are very open to learning and passing along the information. It just depends on the people.. I also just try to pass along the information the best way I know how at this point, and that's to yap at people!!!! If I am in a pet store, and I see someone who is clearly getting a goldfish as a beginner, I try to go up to them with a really big smile and try to bring it up casually without looking like a snob who knows everything. Like "aww you're getting a goldfish?! I've got three of them at home and I just LOVE them. I had NO idea how much there was too learn about them though!" and most people will ask what you mean by that and then you can fill them with info! : ) (You can especially tell if its a beginner if there is a a kid pulling on his mom's arm begging and the mom finally says yes and grabs a bowl). It's cute, my daughter even knows now. Earlier there was a commercial and a girl was dumping out her boyfriends things and they showed a goldfish in a bowl. My daughter said "UH OH! MOM! That goldfish is WAY to big for that bowl!!!". lol

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good luck with the new fish and if you got the fish from nnnn they have a 14 day gurrentee on their fish if they get sick or die just bring the fish and the reciet and they will refund it.

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Since the 100% water changes, the fish look much happier. Unfortunately, now I am away for a week and am having another goldfish-owner take care of the fish for me, so I'm not able to take pictures or keep y'all updated. Thanks for the advice, and I will be sure to talk to the petstore. And I'll let y'all know everything as soon as I'm back home.

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