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I have to agree with the antibiotic injection. I had to give it to my red/black oranda when he was sick, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat to save his life. It really was no big deal to give either. We gave it right below the dorsal fin because we were more comfortable giving it in the muscle versus the abdomen. If you can find a vet that has something similar to Amakacin or Baytril ( and I would recommend the stronger only due to the duration of your fish's ailment), that will work too. We even used gentamycin on my fish because we couldn't find a vet that carried the other two, and it worked just fine - although we adjusted the dosage accordingly.

If you've tried everything, and you are at your wit's end, that is probably the only thing left - and it is fairly safe to do. (granted, my husband did it, not me, but I was in charge of keeping Oscar calm for the injection)

If you can't find a fish vet, look for a bird vet, since a bird and fish have the same dainty features - the vet would be more likely to help you out.

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Perhaps it is gas........ Maybe there is a vet somewhere within an hours drive? Although I think moving comet for too long could be bad........good luck.

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Boy, there is just no way that Comet catches a break, is there??

How does the bulge feel now? Hard or soft and mushy? How does his entire belly feel - the same way? Fish, to be perfectly honest, I am beginning to run out of ideas here. I would suggest a round of amikacin injections or Baytril, but you said you can't find a vet to do it? :unsure: Can't remember that part without going through 14 pages.

I would definetely NOT try to try puncturing the bulge. You need to know where all the organs are in a fish, and what exactly is around that bulge, plus the fact that we don't even know what the bulge is made of. If a vital organ is hit accidentally, that would be fatal. You might release any toxic material that could be inside that bulge as well, which will kill from the inside really fast. Kind of like a raptured appendix in a person - not a good idea.

Somehow Comet reminds me of one of my calico ranchu. She has a huge belly, but all over, not just in one spot. Every time I think she is going to explode, the belly gets even bigger, and her belly is extremely soft and mushy. I have her quaranteened, and she is on Metromeds exclusively. I don't know what causes her fatness, and I have tried hand stripping her of any possible eggs without any success. At this point, all I do is feed her metromed, have her water temperatures up in the mid 80s and epsom salt in the water, that is all I can do. I have her for about 3 years now, and she is my most beautiful ranchu.

The bulge is wierd. On the underside it feels soft but on the side it feels harder. I cannot find a vet in my area who deals or wants to work with a fish. Comet is being fed metromeds, her tank temp is in the mid 80's the only thing is that I dont have any epsom salt in the water.

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the vet doesnt really need to do anything, try asking if they have the baytril, u can do the injection urself, u can check with a mod on how to do that, and what dosage to use

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Shamu is right - your regular vet might do it, or at least give you the needle and meds for it.

I had a problem with one of my fish years ago, and a good friend and fellow goldie keeper suggested injections. Well, I grabbed my goldfish book from Rick Hess, where the dosages and needle sizes are discribed very clearly, and my vet gave me both, with the meds in the correct dosage. I admit, I was chicken, and my friend did the injections, but the fish lived, and my vet was happy to hear that he could help.

Its worth a shot, Fish - there aren't many options left here. The tumor theory comes to mind again, especially since part of the bulge feels hard. What puzzles me is that the tumor got smaller initially, now grows bigger again. Very weird for tumor... :unsure:

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I would say go for the injections, its your last resort.....my theory on the bulge is that it is indeed bacteria, and that the med food was working initially, but the bacteria developed immunity quickly to the weak antibiotic and you need something stronger, like the injections. Whatever you decide to do, we are right here behind you :exactly

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I am going to try checking around all the vets again. Comet is still hungry so I guess that is a positive sign but her bulge is getting worse. My health is doing pretty bad. School has started and so has my job. I will try and see how I can get some Baytril or Amikain as soon as possible. Here are her pics from today...

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Fish,

I sat here last night and read every post on this topic. I just wanted you to know that I am so amazed to see how much care you are giving Comet. A lot of people would have given up on her, you know? There should be more people like you in the world! How is Comet doing today? I know your job has started back, but I was wondering if there may be someone else that could get a vet for you who could give you the injections? Someone posted earlier that maybe that guy Rick, from that website where you got the medicated food could give you the name of a vet who could look at the pics and at least be able to diagnose the problem. It could not hurt to see if you can locate a fish vet on-line to send the pics to who MAY be able to tell you the problem and then you would have a better understanding of HOW you need to treat it. Just an idea. Your fish is beautiful and I wish you all the luck! :)

Nickie

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Fish, hang in there and do the best you can - that is all anybody can ask for. What can't be prevented just isn't meant to be, but at least you gave it your best. Actually more than that, you are going way beyond what most people would have done.

I can't be here every day due to computer problems, and I am at the library right now. Just in case you are wondering if I have forgotten about you if you don't see anything from me. I haven't forgotten, I just can't be here every day. I'll check in every other day or so, if its possible for me.

Hang in there, Comet! :thumbs:

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a vet who could look at the pics and at least be able to diagnose the problem.

That would be really cool if there were someone out there that could help like that. Rick could take a look, but don't know if he'd know what it was.

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maybe u should just go to a regular vet and show him the pics and ask about the baytril, alomost any vet would have it, then u or a friend could do the injection, maybe they'd even know whats wrong with comet, cause I mean, maybe other animals can have somehing similar, maybe they'd have an idea, I would give it a try, and good luck with whatever u decide to do!

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Hi everyone! Comet is still hanging in there. She is still hungry and pooping everyday but her bulge looks pretty bad. I am praying for a miracle. I know that the power of prayer and good wishes is tremendous and makes miracles happen. I am hoping and praying for a miracle for sweet Comet.

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I went to a few vets and asked for baytril or amikacin injections and they said they do not have it for fish. Comet is still hanging in there. She is still hungry and pooping. The red spots are much better but the bulge is still big and feels hard and globular.

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I expect a Mod will be over very soon fish. Hang in there with Comet.

By the way the vets should have Baytril and Amikacin. They are probably not wanting to do a fish injection though and might need a little persuasion. I am sure it would be the best next thing to try.

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I have been literally begging the vets that I talk with to please help Comet and they all refuse. They say the baytril and amikacin are only for dogs and cats and not for fish!!!!

I am so frustrated and now Today Comet's bulge is all red and looks horrible. Will try to post pics soon.

Seriously calling ALL Mods and anyone else for HELP please. :please:please

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Thanks for PM Fish

I remember this thread - I didn't realise poor comet was still so sick... :(

I've only looked back over the last couple of pages.

Goodness, that looks really nasty, definately bacterial, I agree with the others - I think the only way forward is for injected antibiotics. I'm not surprised you're finding it difficult to get a vet involved, many are reluctant because they just don't have the knowledge or expertise and find invasive practice scary on fish - it's very specialised. Having said that, again I agree with the others - if the vet would at least "assess" comet and provide you with the precription and equipment you can do it yourself and people here can guide you through - it's better than nothing and may be his best shot. There is an excellent chapter in Dr Erickson/Richard Hess's Fancy goldfish book on injected anitibiotics - maybe you could take a copy of that along the vet to "normalise" the procedure a little for them?

If you can't get a vet involved, maybe try to get in touch with your local goldfish club/society or breeder - they often have very experienced people who may be able to help in this situation.

So, recap what have you tried in the way of anitibiotics - he's still eating the medicated food, right? How long has he had that for? Have you tried water bourne antibiotics alongside that (yeah, I know they're not absorbed as well but it may help alongside the medicated food)

I sooo wish I had some more ideas - but I think at this stage, Comet needs heavy duty antibiotics to get on top of that.

Don't give up - go back to the vets armed with the info - take that book too.

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Thanks for your help mrbumblebee.

Comet is on metromeds (day 24). Will get maracyn tomorrow for the tank. I do apply triple antibiotic ointment on the red areas everyday as recomended by Ranchugirl. The red goes down and up everyday. Today it is the worst!!!! The area vets are being very stubborn and continue to refuse any help. I cannot even buy the antibiotic injections from them. I do not have the book you mentioned.

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I'm just wondering that as the Metromed helped initially, definately continue it, but maybe you could try feeding Medigold at the same time ( a mixture of both or alternate)? :unsure: I mean I know that's not what we'd usually do, but in the absence of injected antibiotics it may help to hit it with everything you can get your hands on - risky I know. Otherwise, maybe do a joint round of Maracyns 1 and 2, followed by a rpt course of Maracyn 2 (most likely gram negative cause?) OK, well I'm just throwing ideas out there,as those are things you can get your hands on rather than can't. I'm just wondering if you can borrow a copy of the book and take that and show one of vets, maybe they'd budge then?

Sorry I can't help more :(

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Thanks, I will get Maracyns 1 and 2 tomorrow. Comet was fed medigold for 40 days before switching to metromeds. If I give both about how many pellets of each should be fed everyday??

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