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Hi Guys, veeery new to this site, and pretty new to fish.

In january i decided i wanted to get a fish (my boyfriend got a dog no fair!)

So i went and picked out a tiny little tank, some stress coat and some food all ready and excited about getting my gold fish, only to find that LONG GONE are the days of goldie in a bowl with a bit of flake food, pour a glass of water in for oxygen!

Sooo, i got the air stone, the filter and the larger 9 litre tank and the premium fancy gold fish food.

My 1st fish was a black moor (bugsy, still live and flippin) and he lived happily with a bi weekly water change and a pinch of pellets every day or two.

Then i got 2 mountain minows and one red cap oranda and one multi coloured black orange and white one, but the 2 new orandas had just recovered from white spot disease so only lived a few days :(

then i got 2 orange oranda's and a little sucker fish so i upgraded to a 18 litre tank for my 6 fish,

i feed them a pinch of 2 different types of food daily, i give them a 100 percent clean out every 2 weeks and when i stick them back in i used fresh tap water, stress coat and a drop of anti fungus stuff.

2 months in and theyre all really happy healthy fish.

No water testing, no strict food monitoring, no partial water changes, no temperature monitoring.

What im asking, is am i limiting theyre life span, or am i just lucky?

i really do like them , if i should be doing more.... plz let me know!

I recently got a betta fish and he has proved really hard to keep happy... so if im putting the effort into him i cant neglect my goldies :)

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Hmm let's see....18 litre (about 4.5 gallons) tank for 3 goldfish, 2 WCM & a sucker fish and they live for 2 months?

What im asking, is am i limiting theyre life span, or am i just lucky?

I'd say yes you are limiting their life span (unawarely), and 2 months is not a long time at all. And yes I'm inclined to say that you've been extremely lucky.

This is a rough rule, but each goldfish needs at least 10 gallons (about 40 litres) of water with adequate filtration.

i really do like them , if i should be doing more.... plz let me know!

Ok I'll let u know what u can do to improve their living qualities.

- If u can afford a 30-gallon tank (or bigger) please get it ASAP. Don't forget a filter that pumps 300 gallons/hour.

- If u can't afford a 30-gallon tank & a filter, then start saving for it. Meanwhile, u can up the frequency of water change to twice a week at least.

- Can u check what kind of sucker fish u got there? There are only a few species of "sucker fish" that can co-exist happily with goldfish, and even those have exceptions.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but the truth is their living conditions are far from ideal (although I'm sure u don't mean to cause any harm to them) and it's up to u as their owner to provide the best care u can give them.

We're here to help so let us know if u got any more questions, k? :)

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I wouldnt call it complicated. It can be a little overwhelming at first if your playing catchup but once you get going its pretty easy.

I found this site after I moved into my new house and decided to setup my 30G Hex tank. I thought I did everything correct and "aged" the water for 24 hours like I was shown before. I went to my lfs and had them test my water. They said everything was fine so I purchased 3 Goldfish if I remember correctly. Well, they all died within 2 days from amonia poisoning. I came on here trying to find out if I could save them (didnt know they were already beyond saving) and learned how to properly care for them. I tore the tank down and rebuilt it, properly cycling and no more major problems.

So while initially I had some problems, had I done my research first everything would have been fine. Now my mornings consist of feeding my 4 tanks when I get up then again about an hour before bed. I change the water when my Nitrates get up there or I get a buildup of waste in the tank. I test the tanks once a week and add water as needed from evaporation. I have Amquel+ on hand in case some params spike on me. Thats it. The rest of the time I talk to my fishies whenever I pass the tanks or need a break from whatever I'm doing.

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You'll get into a routine. I change out about 50% of the water in my Betta container every other day for example. It's just habit now - and I get to laugh at his weirdness while I do it.

One of my friends said, "you're always changing the water." Which is not strictly true. But I said it's better than wasting time watching TV. :D

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One of my friends said, "you're always changing the water." Which is not strictly true. But I said it's better than wasting time watching TV.

100% agree with you... :exactly

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:) I think we all just fall into the routine care of keeping our goldfish happy and healthy. Water changes to me are part of my routine. Like keeping the house clean, I keep my tanks clean. Its so enjoyable to see the fish swimming around and doing the "Feed Me Dance"!

I hope you are able to get a bigger tank and improve the quality of their lives and also their life span. Both you and your fish will be happier.

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Guest jesso

yeah. time to sort this out. my sucker fish.. jumped tank. im not kidding, i found him on the table like.

and one of my minows got eaten.

SO, 3 gold fish and one minnow in a 18 litre tank still not good huh? (heres me planning on getting more fish!!!)

When you do the partial water changes do you make the new water the same temperature first?

Do you put anything other than stress coat in it first?

Im a bit worried that theyre not getting enough oxegen, the filter pumps in alot of bubbles into the tank right but they were going to the top alot for air so ive added oxegen tablets, should i use the air stone and air pump aswell?

i appreiciate the kick up the ######, i dont wanna be one of those idiots who has a history of killing gold fish. i like mine.

ive been pretty good and upgraded their food to specialist food for orandas from hikari, they didnt like it at first but ive been weaning them on it and they snap i up now/.

:):) thanks

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Oh sweetie......in all honesty, you shouldn't even have 1 goldie in that size, let alone 4. :unsure: They are up at the top all the time because there really is no way they can get enough oxygen, even with several airstones....and they need quiet water too. Can you find a used tank somewhere fast? Or better yet, put them in a big rubber maid until you get a proper tank. You don't want to hurt your babies. :(

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yea i split them up, 2 and 2 in another tank the same size and they have air stones in both but only one has a filter so im changin some of the water every day. they are still very small thoug, the orandas are only an inch long but bugsy the black more is actually massive, ive had him for alot longer, he used to be in a tiny tank and as soon as i upgraded him at christmas, he got MASSIVE.

the tank s im using are the biggest plastic tanks i can get, the glass tanks cost too much theyve got 9 litres each now, better be enough till next months pay day.....

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You could always go and buy a big storage tub. Yeah you can only look at them from the top but it's a lot more space for them, and really easy on your wallet. I came here after my little Fantail fot sick. She was living in a 2.5 gallon tank with no filtration. I was lucky she survived. I suppose the only major problem is filtration. Lugging buckets of water back and forth is probably your only option.

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yea i split them up, 2 and 2 in another tank the same size and they have air stones in both but only one has a filter so im changin some of the water every day. they are still very small thoug, the orandas are only an inch long but bugsy the black more is actually massive, ive had him for alot longer, he used to be in a tiny tank and as soon as i upgraded him at christmas, he got MASSIVE.

the tank s im using are the biggest plastic tanks i can get, the glass tanks cost too much theyve got 9 litres each now, better be enough till next months pay day.....

Glad to hear you're working on it. I started out with a baby fantail in a 5 gallon tank, and was surprised at how fast she grew, so in a matter of months I had to think about upgrading. They actually grow a lot faster than you think! :) What I love though, is seeing them making use of their bigger environment, and seemingly so much more happy.

Keep up the good work!

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Glass tanks are less expensive then plastic ones here? Anyway as halloween stated go grab yourself the biggest plastic tub you can afford (20gallon tubs only cost like $5) and keep them in that with your filter/s until you can afford a proper tank. At least then they can live in nice healthy water until you find a nicer tank :) And also once you do get a new tank that tub doesn't go to waste! Keep it as a hospital tank for your sick fishes, or a quarantine tank for your new fish! I love my plastic tubs, they are totally awesome!

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Jesso, I know how you feel. I have had tanks in my home as a kid and helped out but had no idea what it was all about. I have a tank now for my Telescope that my pond trutle attacked. (the turtle has moved out).

My pond really takes care of itself, so easy.

But I am so worried about the tank not cycling right and me missing something. as of today he's been in it for a week and so far so good. I'm reading everything I can here. I'm crazy about this fish and would be heartbroken if things don't go ok. Since I only have a 10 gal I do water changes every 3 days. I feel ok about it because I use the pond water.

Everyone here will help you, so don't worry your on the right track and I believe what they say that it will seem easier when you feel more relaxed about what your doing. That's what I hope at least. Good Luck

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We've (mostly) all been there! I started with a fantail in a 2 gallon tank! He lasted for six months in that sucker before I finally upgraded him. And then I had three fish living in a 10 gallon tank (still not a good idea!) One of them died a terrible death (massive fin rot, he had no more tail!) and got my wake up call.

Now I've got two goldies and a snail in a 29 gallon with 300 gph filter. Once you're set up, things get much easier. Once your tank is 'cycled', things get much easier.

Right now my routine involves changing about 4 gallons a week. I feed my fish at most three times a day, at least every other day (depends how busy I am, and I'm usually not home on the weekends). Every two weeks I'll do a bit of clean-up (I have a cycle going on, I do one filter and my fake plants one session, other decorations and glass and tank the next session, and then the big filter the next session).

I am a pretty very busy person and I don't feel overwhelmed at all.

The hard parts about fishkeeping are getting all the equipment you need and cycling your tank (nothing like changing 10 gallons of water every day!!) Once that's over with, everything is easier, I promise.

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Are You Crazy???!!!!!!!!! LOL_ I have an aqua puppy - Punch - that is like a baby with Colic- I love him to death

but be aware- goldies are like having a new born baby- staying new born for the rest of its life LOL-

If you dont have the time stick to Betas LOL-

Eric

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