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Laurie

I checked spots this morning and there still the same.

I was to tired last night to add salt so the salt level is still at .1%.

Needed a break. Also fighting dropsy in my sons tank. Once again due to bad water Quality.

Learned my lesson

Dave

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Hi :) so poop scoop was helpful? :rofl Relaxed fishie is good...let's hope she regains strenght during this days. I believe it's gonna be a nice change for her. Remember to keep checking the water params and give her lots and lots of TLC (a.k.a bloodworms ;) ) Hope the .3% helps her a little bit, but if not I'm sure after this ''fresh bath'' she'll take the meds pretty good. Fingers crossed!! Keep me posted.

Hope she gets better soon so she can be back to her big tank and back to hoovering rocks :rolleyes:

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Hi all,

I stopped at vvvvv and browsed the med section.

Still pursuing the fungal direction.

Not sure to attempt a parasite direction.

Thinking of trying Primafix next.

Label says it's an excellent fugus treatment.(We all know labels don't lie :lol1 )

Do you think I should wait?

It's supposed to be very safe.

Should I use it while salting?

Dave

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Sorry to say I am not sure if you can use Pimafix with salt. But I would still hold on and wait a bit if it was me.

Since bad water was a culprit, then clean water can often do wonders.

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Hi Lourie

Dorthy still the same.

I may wait another day before trying another med.

Salt is up to .2% as of last night.

I just got in the door so I am going to wait until tomorrow to add more salt.

My sons? fish died this morning from Dropsy.

I didn't expect it to survive?to far along.

It's a relief for me because I was contemplating euthanizing.

I was actually trying to track down clove oil but CVS didn?t carry it.

Thanks again for your time.

I?ll keep you posted.

When I finally beat this, maybe it could be of some help to anyone with the same condition.

Dave

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Laurie,

Yesterday I began Primafix in Dorothy?s Tank. I hope to solve the problem for her in the hosp tank, but I'm getting real itchy to put her back with the others. There has been no change in the white spots, neither on Dorthy or two other fish in the main tank. Like I noted before, there are two fish in the 55 gal that have a couple of spots on them. These spots haven't changed in over a month. Strange isn't it. I'm almost getting to the point to purchase a microscope and try to get a sample to examine. Although it doesn't look easy, judging from some of toothless's posts, to determine... especially if you?re inexperienced.

I also have Kordons' Ich Attack on hand. I'm not sure if I can use it with the Primafix???

Although, maybe a double med (one that I now won't harm her) would wipe out this stubborn bug.

I?ve spent close to one hundred dollars to date on meds. Not that she's not worth it but it is aggravating.

Thanks again,

Dave

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I am not sure I will be of help to you on the scrapings. But I would encourage you to do it if you feel up to it.

Are the fish acting sick? If not, it may be time to just sit and see what develops. It is hard to call at this point.

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Laurie

Fish in main tank healthy and energetic.

Dorthy (Sick Fish in 10 gal) sits on the bottom motionless.

If you walk up and look at her she starts swimming around.

She's eating, but not eagerly.

She's either depressed or sick. Not sure if fish get depressed?

If I put her back in main tank a I feel she will perk up.

She became inactive the minute I put her in the hosp. tank.

Dave

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Update

After reading some articles, I decided to give API Quick Cure a try.

I started the first dose on Sunday.

Tonight I'll give the tank the last dose (3rd dose)

They strongly suggest no more than 3 doses.

As of this morning the white stuff was still on fishes tail.

However it seams a little furrier.

I don't know if this is a sign of the meds killing it off or not?

They claim this med works on fungus as well as parasites.

Anybody have any experience with this med?

Dave

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Sorry Dave, I don't. But keep us posted.

Maybe someone will have some insight for you.

I have found often when treating my own fish, it is a do it and see approach. Scary I know, but it is how we learn sometimes.

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Thanks Laurie,

I'll keep you posted and keep my fingers crossed.

By the way, I had posted about strange brown scales on a fish in my 55 gal. tank.

Was not sure if I used the wrong salt. Could you check it out and combine the posts if you feel that they should be kept together. I did a 80% water change on that tank tonight. Hopefully this will solve the problem.

Talk to ya soon.

Dave

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I will take a look.

I have heard of people calling brown patches or rusty colored patches which turned out to be ammonia burns. Are you double checking to make sure no ammonia issue is developing?

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Hi Laurie,

Yes I did check the ammonia and it was zero.

The water change did them some good. I'll watch to see if brown scales disappear.

The hospital fish still has fuzzes on her tail. Just can't beat this.

This is day 4 with the Quick Cure. I was mistaken earlier when I said that the med label

said to use for 3 doses only. I don't know where I got this info from ... maybe a website....the bottle says to use until fish is cured. I won't use it indefinitely but perhaps 10 days. Still looking for a good price on a microscope.

Talk to you later

Dave

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Dave, just a little insight on the QuickCure.... :)

"QuickCure

Backgrund:contains 99.20% Formaldehyde and 0.75% Malachite Green. It treats Ich, Chilodonella, Trichodina and Costia, as well as most other parasites, except for gill or skin flukes.

Dosage: Treat 3 days in a row, with 30% water changes each day, at a rate of 1 drop per gallon of water. Take out the carbon from the filter during treatment. QuickCure will color the water slightly blue, but it will disappear after a few days.

Since Malachite Green is deactivated by light, turn off the tank lights after observing the fish for the first 15 minutes. Have a bucket with tank water handy, in case of an adverse reaction by a fish.

Precautions: QuickCure should never be refridgerated. The Formaldehyde in it will turn into the very toxic paraformaldehyde, which makes the medicine look cloudy. If there is any doubt about a bottle of QuickCure developing into Paraformaldehyde, do not use it and throw it away.

QuickCure also shouldn't be used in water temperatures below 60 degrees."

Two things as overview - turn off tank light when treating, and DO NOT REFRIDGERATE! If in any doubt that the bottle might have seen the insight of a fridge, toss it out.

And, one thing of personal experience with QuickCure: It is an excellent medication, and I used it for Ich when I didn't have salt on hand. BUT you really have to watch the fish, some are sensitive to the medication, and react negatively.

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Sorry everybody for this drawn out post.

This white stuff is a real stickler. :pan

This is day 6 using Quick Cure.

Andrea, Thanks for your tips. I read the same advice on line and have followed the instructions to the letter (except I did 50% water changes each day.)

Fish is in good health but not very active. White stuff still the same. Maybe I?ll try to get some good pics. The stuff has gotten fluffier since the last pics. The only thing I can think of to try next would be to salt bath, peroxide, and Neosporn the spots. Maybe if I do this everyday I could eradicate this stuff. I?m dying to know what it is.

Hey ?EBAY QUEEN? , I?ve been looking for a practical microscope on ebay and my head is spinning. Do you have any idea which of them is good for fish :goldfish: keeping purposes?

I thought that it may be a good idea to get one powerful enough for my kids to look at

cells and spark there interest in the micro world.

Thanks again, :I-Thank-You:

Dave

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Ebay queen, huh? How did you know I got my scope from ebay? :D

Actually, the seller was Precisionworld, or something like that. I got one that has the two binoculars, so I can see things better, and an integrated light. Afterwards I noticed that I got the one without the moveable platform, so I ordered one afterwards. Its so much easier that way. It was a bit on the expensive side, but well worth it.

Although I have seen some cheap ones around from the toy section in the store. I guess it is worth a try there first. :)

Have you considered treating them with pure PP? The spots, actually, not the whole fish. You can make a paste out of a few crystals of Potassium Permanganate, and apply it with a q-tip to the spots. I have a whole bottle coming out my ears, and I would send you some, but unfortunately PP is one of those things that the post office gets really unhappy if you put that in an envelope. It was one of the "ingredients" from the Oklahoma city bomb I believe, and its a dangerous thing to mail with snail mail. But you can get a bottle at either the grocery store or a feed store. I think its still for sale in fish stores as well under the brand name Permoxyn or something like that. :)

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Lucky Guess!

What do you consider pricey?

I?d be willing to spend up to 400.

It?s of course one of those judgment calls as to weather or not inching up in price if it means getting much more for the money.

Would you mine me asking what you paid for yours?

Is it easy to identify fish diseases and infestations with a scope.

What magnification do you suggest?

The light and the adjustable platform sound like a must.

Thanks for the tip on the PP.

I will investigate were to get it today.

I can?t stand watching this fish mope in the 10 gal much longer.

This fish was so happy back with her buds in the 55 gal.

Just how long would you expect it to take if the PP is the right med for this fungus/parasite/bacteria???

I?m not asking you to stick your neck out and promise me a time, just from your experience what have you found to be the general time frame before realizing that the med my not be the right attack.

Thanks again ?Ebay Queen?

Hey, by the way, my mother is the ?QVC Queen? :rofl

Dave

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Laurie,

Here?s the update. No change. :(

Nothing is touching this stuff.

I?m trying to get a hold of the PP.

No food stores carry it and no pharmacies carry it.

vvvv doesn?t carry it and mmm either.

PetPlus claims that there getting it in but I?ve been waiting for a week so far.

I probably order it online. Because it?s hazardous, I?ll pay a premium for shipping.

At this point it doesn?t matter much. I?ve already spent a small fortune on this fish.

I can?t make up my mind on which scope to buy.

Any chances this could anchor worm?

I read that they can be tough to exterminate.

Hope to here from you soon.

Going crazy. :krazy:

Thanks

Dave

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Ok , I'm getting frustrated.

The only place Iv'e been able to find PP is on line and only in large qty.

On more place to try and that is Sears.

The people at PetPlus drove me nuts . I called them,"Oh yeh, we stock PP. We are waiting for a shippment, should be in Tue."

I called Tue, "The delivery comes in on Wed."

I called Wed, "I'll check the back to see if it came in" "Sorry dude, I couldn't find it , maybe its here, we haven't finished unpacking it all yet."

I called Thur, "We don't carry PP and I don't think we ever did" :krazy:

I called two weeks ago and ordered a part for a Emporer filter, "No problem, we can order that part for you." This week they tell me ,"We cant order parts".

You can't find good help anymore. :ignore

If anybody would like to mail me a little PP I would gladly pay them.

I dont need much. Just going to use it as a topical treatment to one or two fish. I need crystal form of course.

Thanks

Dave

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I have more drugs for my fish right now than I do for my own family. I was going nuts for the last 3 days trying to track down Amikacin for my sick baby Oranda, and even found it oline, with the exception that it was going to take 7 days to get here. But the strength was too much anyway. I know how you feel, needing something right away and not being able to get it. I have to take my fish to the vet tomorrow just to get them to prescribe an alternative to Amikacin (none of the vets around here seem to have it). They don't understand it's not so easy to pack your sick goldie in the car and take off to the vet helter skelter. I am worried about the stress my baby will have to undergo just to get to the vet. Of course, it's just a quick easy way for the vet to make $45. Like I can afford that after spending who knows anymore how much on my fishies to date. :) But :heart is blind. I will do anything to keep my goldies alive.

Good luck to you! I hope you get what you need.

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Hey Lola, That's a pretty appropriate icon you have there for how I feel.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Dave

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