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My Fish Is Sick What Do I Do

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I have a red cap oranda and he was, up until yesterday, the biggest eater of all my fish and was very active. I have now noticed that it has become sluggish and his fins do not look healthy (aka they seem to be falling apart and have little white spots on them). I cant tell if there are white spots on the rest of his body because he is already white. I have a 10 gallon tank that I have had running for only a little over a week now. I have put a Chemi-pure bag thing into the filter of my tank and also have tested the ph and tried to lower it, i think it is now around 7.6 or so. I feed them regular gold fish flakes, and i really dont know what to do i am new with this I havent had fish before. if someone can help that would be great

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Guest Juliosmom

Hello,

I'm not terribly knowledgeable, but can offer some points while you are waiting for a Mod to come along.

First off, they will want you to answer as many questions from the above list as possible. It *sounds* as though you are overstocked? Could quite probably be your water quality having a very negative affect on your fish. If you don't have a testing kit, try taking a sample of your water to your local 'fish' store and hopefully they can give you the Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate readings. Write them down for the moderators.

While waiting for a mod to help you, my advice would be to do a big water change on your tank to improve your water quality.

I don't want to put my foot in my mouth, so I'm going to stop at that and say 'Good Luck'!!

Hope all gets back on track for your fish.

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thank you for your suggestions. the other fish in my tank dont seem to be having a problem at all, just the one whom i think (maybe) has ich. i dont wnat to do anything major yet because i dont know if i would be helping the fish or just harming them further. i dont want to be a fish killer!

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well my red cap died. i went out to buy some "ick guard" yesterday and when i came home it was dead. so i have started by adding some of the ick guard and doing a 25% water change. it says on the bottle to add some every 24 hours and then do a 25% water change.. so i guess thats what i will do for a while to make sure that my other fish dont get sick

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white spots is defintely ick. give it a salt bath of .3% it those ick should disapear within 1-2 weeks.

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Aww, I'm sorry he died. Hopefully you get rid of the ick before all of them get worse. Just use the meds, and add more salt when you remove water. It should help. And always gravel vac the bottom to make sure its clean.

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could anyone tell me how to add salt.. like what kind of salt and how much? also, since i am aware that the ick can accumulate in the gravel would it be a good idea to clean the whole tank and rinse the gravel and stuff, or to just use my gravel vac? any kind of advice would be greatly appreciated! and thanks to everyone so far for your help

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i would goto any LFS and pick up any aquarium salt. i usually pick up AP aquarium salt. i ususally keep this formula in mind.

1TBSP/per gallon = .3%

if you have a big tank like me, 55gal i break it into 3 days.

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:( Sorry to hear that you lost your fish.

Were those white spots,just that,flat white spots,or did they actually look like grains of salt/sand were sprinkled on him?

What is your normal ph?Goldfish can adapt to a wide range of ph's and do fine,it's when those ph's continue to go up and down that can cause them harm.How many fish are in this 10 gallon? Can you also give exact water params on this tank?

You also want to be careful using anything that contains Victoria Green(Malachite Green) It's a very strong med that young or weaker fish don't always sit well with----and when using it,your tank needs to be kept dark,as light deactivates it.

As for using something like the Chemi-Pure bag,I would personally get rid of it. When I googled this,this is what I found it to be explained as.

CHEMI-PURE

Supreme chemical filtration from an aquarists favorite filter media! Chemi-Pure is a unique aquarium filter media designed not only to remove ammonia and other harmful toxins from aquarium water, but Chemi-pure actually stabilizes the negative and positive ions in your aquarium, which are a very important aspect of aquarium fish health. With a durability of 4-6 months, many aquarists find they do not have to do monthly water changes when they use Chemi-pure filter media: they only do them two to three times a year! Chemi-pure makes an excellent replacement to standard carbon filter media in freshwater, saltwater or marine aquariums. Take your aquarium filtration to the next level with Chemi-pure

Anything that tells you that by using the product,you may only have to do water changes 2 or 3 times a year,is a bunch of crock in my books.

I think that most of these type items sold,give a rather false sense of security/ feeling to the new fish owner and disillusions them on the real and proper caring of their fish.

Keeping fish takes effort,and weekly water changes,and I don't think that there's an easy way around that at all.

My suggestion before adding any more meds,is to get the water tested,.The next thing would be to actually determine if indeed this fish was carrying Ick as treating with meds for something it may not have had could have caused this fish even more problems. Are any of the other fish showing any white grains on any part of their body?

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I am not positive that it was Ick that the fish had because the spots really didnt look like grains of salt or look raised, they just looked flat.. also, I have had one fish die because he had tail/fin rot and my red cap that died was also starting to get frayed fins. I am not sure what the ph is because I have a testing kit but it shows that it is higher than 7.6, i am not sure how much higher though. I have been adding ph lowering solution to try and bring down the ph slowly but so far i havent noticed any change in the ph really (I have been doing this for about 3 days now).

I am aware that with using the chemi-pure i still have to do water changes because I know that the gravel gets dirty with food and waste. is the chemi-pure bag of any benefit do you think? also, do you think I should empty everything out of the aquarium and start with new, clean gravel and water?

I have 5 goldfish in a 10 gallon tank and I know that they are supposed to have more room than that but I wasnt aware of that when I bought my tank a week and a half ago.

The fish will seem fine one day and then the next they are dead! I really dont know what the problem is and i feel really bad because it seems like I am killing the fish.. really i am not meaning to at all! none of the fish, at the present time, are showing any signs of sickness or white spots, but with the others that have died it has been so sudden so i can never be sure. AHHHHH im so frustrated with myself for not knowing what to do! i hope this is enough information for someone to help me.

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I have a feeling that rather than ich,it's more a water quality problem,but at this point,it's only a guess on my part with out actual param numbers.

If it were me,I'd pull the Chemi-pure bag out,and I would also stop trying to alter your ph.You are telling me that you have 5 goldfish in a ten gallon and that 2 others have died,so that was a total of 7--- alot of overstocked fish in a very small tank.

I am sorry,but basically your fish have been placed in a situation where they will continue to get sick and die.

Here are a few articles that I think you need to read as the solutions to your problems are not easy.

http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/care.html

http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/tensteps.html

http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/cycle.html

To begin with,the most important things you need for your fish to survive is

a) a bigger living area-goldfish are recommended to have at least 10 gallons of space for each fancy goldfish,because of the size they grow and the waste that they produce.If a bigger tank isn't an option right now,then maybe you can consider either taking a few fish back to the store,or purchasing a Rubbermaid container to help divide your fish into better spaced tanks.The Rubbermaids come in numerous sizes,and are normally pretty reasonable.

b) A filter that produces 10 x's the flow rate of the size of your tank or more

c) A Drop Test Kit so that you can test your water on a daily basis. This is a "must have" in order to keep thriving goldfish,and even more important when you are keeping an overstocked tank.

d) A good conditioner for water like Prime or Amquel plus,that along with daily water changes can help to keep your params safer for your fish.

The only thing right now that you can do for these fish without any of the things mentioned above,is large water changes,with treated & evenly matched tank temps on a daily basis of at least 50-75%.

I know that it's really hard as a beginner because there's so much to learn right away,but the more research you do,the more you'll understand and learn,and the better these fish will do for you. :)

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i kind of suspected that the problem may have been the fish are stressed/getting sick because they are in too close of quarters. i had no idea that the fancy goldfish needed so much room for one fish, otherwise i would have bought a bigger tank at the time and less fish. i really dont think i want to take the fish back because they are in small tanks with at least 20 other fish there, so i really think that even though the situation they are in now isnt the greatest, it is better than where they came from. do you think that having no gravel on the bottom of the tank would be beneficial to keeping the water clean? i just think that it would be a lot easier to vaccum the bottom of the tank without the gravel, because the debris gets all stirred up when i vaccum the gravel. the fish seem fine now, but im not really positive seeing as the others died quickly. buying a bigger tank really isnt an option because my house is small (four people live here and my mom has the tendency to have a lot of furniture and random things in the house!) and so there is no other place in my house to have the fish tank, and where i have it now is just big enough for my ten gallon tank. i really dont want to see these fish die too so i am going to try and clean the water as much as i can each day and i will stop messing around with the ph. i have water conditioners to make the water safe, so i will have to keep adding that when i change the water. but my main question is if i take out the gravel will it make it easier to clean? and do the fish like gravel or do they really care?

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Guest CuteFishy51

Personally I would take out the gravel, it really makes cleaning your tank SO much easier!(i learned my lesson) The fish really don't mind if there is or isn't gravel. Also another tip is if you feed them pellets it's safer to not have gravel because the fish will think it's food and try to eat it which could lead to them choking! i'm sorry to hear about your problems with your tank! i hope that things get better for you! :heart

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my fish all seem to be doing fine so far and i am planning to clean the tank each day with my vac. also, i dont have chlorine in my water because i live out in the country and we have a well. does that make my tap water more safe for the fish? i still use a conditioner

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I'm happy your fish are doing ok!! :) I don't know if well water would be safer than tap water but if you use a conditioner you're safe. You're removing ''bad stuff'' from the water with that, but keep an eye on the params (PH, Ammonia, Nitrites and Nitrates) cause they might crash on you. I test my water every week and if I see my fishies acting ''funny'' I test innmediately...just to be sure!

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i have been to a few local fish stores with no luck in finding a testing device... i am going to continue to look tomorrow and wednesday because i understand that it is very important to test the water often. i have a ph test kit but thats all.. so i will be looking for another test kit soon! i really love the fish and dont want to see them become ill

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You are doing the best you can do and that is ask what you're not sure about and here you can find a lot of pros hehe. I can't recall which is the topic but a few members have reccomended a site where you can order the tests on line. I believe Ebay sells a bunch of those too. Maybe someone will be able to let you know a couple of options cause yeap it's really important specially in crisis. Hope everything stays the way it is for you...and you don't loose any more fishies :)

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