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Alright, I'd like help settling a discussion between my boyfriend and I.

Today we were at a restaurant and got seated right next to the goldfish tank! Super cool. They had orandas and black moores and whatnot. Immediately I didn't think the fish looked so hot. The black moore didn't have great balance and an oranda with a nice big wen was doing some bottom sitting. Another fish's dorsal fin was kind of flopped over. I pointed it out to my boyfriend and he said that every time he saw a big goldfish (these were maybe 5 inches eat) they were slow and it was probably because of their size.

Now, my goldfish are teeny so I really didn't know. To anyone who has big fish or seen a lot of big fish, are they always floaty/slow/mellow or were these fish just ill?

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In other news, I've been planning on getting an apple snail for my tank. Of course I wanted to order through rainbowsnails but then I saw the shipping price, yikes! So I wanted to check my LFS to see if they had any. I don't suuuper like them because last time I was there they tried to pressure me into buying things I didn't want/need and told me an undergravel filter would be just fine! (to which I replied, NO THANKS!) But I've seen the snails at the Big Box stores and I wasn't tempted by them either.

So I'm browsing because a fish store is like a free aquarium, you know : )

Their goldfish tanks were terrible! If I had a camera I would have taken pictures and we all would have had a good cry. One tank had orandas that were all covered in ick spots and there were lots of bottom sitters. One tank of black moores and they all had HORRIBLE body rot. HORRIBLE. My fish DIED of fin rot and his didn't look that bad. They were maybe 3 inches long and they had open red sores the size of dimes and nickles on their bodies. Every one of them, and there were at least 15 in the tank! There was a dead black moore in there too that the other fish were nipping at (I understand that you can't get every dead fish out irght away but if you have a tank of sick fish you'd think you'd be checking on it fairly often!)

There was a tank of BIG goldfish (5+ inches) and they were all lethargic, bottom sitting, etc. Another oranda tank had fin rot but it wasn't as bad as the other.

I was really really sad and disappointed. I asked the dude if they had snails anyway, just to see, and he told me that mystery snails were outlawed in Nevada and I could only get a Japanese trapdoor snail.

Hmm...that's interesting 'cause I saw mystery snails at vvvv a few weeks ago. I know there are lots of regulations about snails so I went online and SOME snails aren't allowed to be imported to Nevada BUT apple snails are specifically allowed (I assume because they're not asexual?).

Anyways: moral of the story - I am never giving that store my money again and when anyone asks I will happily send them to vvvv, where a wonderful employee talked me out of buying a fish bowl when I bought my first goldfish.

We always want to have faith in the locally owned and operated but sometimes they don't give you anything to have faith in!

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As far as regulations go, don't be so sure the large chains are always up to par. In the city I live in, there is a city ordinance banning the sale and possession of certain herps. I don't recall what, exactly, but one of the local chains in the area carries them. Not only do they carry them, but the city regularly comes through and ensures no tanks are overstocked, or animals are severely mistreated... and they have never stopped the sale of these.

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Yikes! Why make ordinances if you're not going to enforce them? Not that I'm super surprised though...but I did look up the snail bit online and found the big fancy notice about what snails can and can't be imported and apple snails ARE allowed - unless there's a new ordinance that I couldn't find

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Why make them? Well, certain studies, or certain city representatives, council members, whatever will place some pretty random bans on random creatures with some kind of remotely good reason. Any and all constrictor type snakes are illegal in my area, for example... probably due to some odd occurrence in which someone's kid or pet got hurt by one.

It can be as major as the potential for the creature to dominate the area and severely disturb the current wildlife in an area it is not native, to as minor as... well... stupidity.

The problem is... enforcing these laws is near impossible. Lets say I couldn't own a shubunkin, but a comet was okay. If I had a shubunkin, what are the chances someone who works with the city (law enforcement, inspector, etc) would actually recognize the differences between the two, and be able to say "nope, you cant have this. Not yours."

Its just silly ordinances, that someone presented to the councils one day, and they said "hey, you're right! It SHOULDN'T be legal!", but no one sat down and thought about enforcement.

Sorry to jack the thread. Anyhoo, sorry, not too familiar as far as larger fish go. While a majority of larger goldfish I have owned, and friends have owned have been pretty mellow, the ones I have owned were mellow to begin with from when they were young.

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All the big fish I've seen that've been properly cared for have been quite active....even a couple of 14" comets that were always darting around.

As for snails, Terri at Rainbow Snails does have some AWESOME ones, but there are many people on applesnail.net that have some great ones as well. The person on there that I have had the most favorable dealings with is badflash, he'll really work with you on the shipping and has quite a few colors with awesome shells (they're raised in 300-gallon kiddie pools :D ). Also Mamaschild and Angjo72. If you were looking in a couple of months I'd be able to sell you one, but nothing ready to go right now.

And for city ordinances....I think the ones in this town are so the rent-a-cop that works for animal control has something to do. The ordinance here is that no one can have more than two adult animals per household...this includes dogs and cats...in a small town of 5,000 people! My SO had two dogs when we met, and I had two dogs and that person harassed us until we had to give one up and we've now told her we'll take a citation for the other one because there's no way we're breaking up our family any more. </rant>

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