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Ammonia Level? 0

Nitrite Level? 0

Nitrate level? 40

Ph Level, (If possible,KH and GH and chloramines)? 7

Ph Level out of the Tap? 7

Tank size (How many Gals) and How long has it been running? 55 / 2 years

What is the name and size of the filter/s? 2 penguin bio wheel 350

How often do you change the water and how much? 1/3 - 1/2 once a week

How many fish in the tank and their size? 3 goldies: 1 fantail 7 inch, 1 shubunkin 8 inch, 1 black moor 4 inch, 1 choc. pleco 4 inch

What kind of water additives or conditioners? prime

Any medications added to the tank? no

Add any new fish to the tank? no

What do you feed your fish? variety

Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt",

bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? just nasty tumors

Any unusual behavior like staying

at the bottom, not eating, ect..? sometimes staying at the bottom

-ok, so my fantail is about 4 or 5 years old, for the past year, he has had a slow growing tumor on the top of his head. it is a raised black spot, very slow growing.

-my shubunkin has a very fast growing nasty tumor on his side. it started out as a raised scale, and is now a gross pink black and red growth that is hanging from his body, it looks like the end of it is about to fall off actually. I have never treated it because I have been told to basically leave well enough alone if it is not bothering the fish, but it is getting nasty. Other than occasionally twitching, i don't really notice any odd behavior from the shubunkin, except for also on occasion they all sit at the bottom of the tank, but they stop that as soon as i walk by or something. Here are a few pics. The flash and the blur of the pics don't really show the true detail of this tumor, it looks alot worse in person. Also please note in the first pic you can see my fantail's head tumor as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/grain190/DSC02974.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/grain190/DSC02975.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/grain190/DSC02973.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/grain190/DSC02972.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/grain190/DSC02977.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/grain190/DSC02978.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/grain190/DSC02979.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/grain190/DSC02980.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/grain190/DSC02981.jpg

please help :(:unsure:

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Hi Grain - can you discribe the tumor a bit? Its not clear to see on the picture, but does it have a white outer edge and red inside, or does it come with a red outer edge?

Both are bacteria caused, but have different treatment options. So, have a closer look and let us know... :)

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thank you for the fast reply!!

-it's kind of hard to describe, and the pics are a bit misleading as to the color. the tumor is mostly pink and kind of black. I got a better look, and when he swims,a piece of it is starting to break off...it's just attached to the top of the rest of the tumor. If I had to pick, I would say that it has a white outer edge.

the one on my fantail is just black, it doesn't have any red or any other color in it. there is one very tiny spot that kind of looks white that is kind off center of the tumor itself.

this is the best pic of the shubunkin tumor i have so far

DSC02981.jpg

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Grain, have you started him on any medicated foods?

That maybe a something to try. Depending on what type of tumor it is. Or if it has any bacteria in nature that may help.

Other than that I am sorry to say my advise is limited. I wish you luck though.

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I haven't tried the med. food yet because I wasn't sure if that would work for something on the outside of the body. I will definately try this though. Thank you for the advice! I'll keep posted on how things are going.

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I have to buy the medigold,and i was looking on the site and saw Antibac-Bath..it said it treats bacterial infection type diseases...I wonder if this would be a good thing to try. Any thoughts?

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I actually emailed Rick from the goldfish connection with all of the info and pics that I posted here. Thankfully, he took the time to read my lengthy email and he said that it looks like a bacterial problem caused by flukes! He suggested that I treat my tank with Prazi-Q, and feed medigold for 2 weeks.

I had actually already ordered the medigold and antibac-bath, so I'll have to order the prazi-Q tomorrow.

I just thought I would share this, and thank you Laurie for your help! I will keep you posted on how the treatment works out!!

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ah, good idea....i won't call because it's too late. i'm going to send him a quick email though. i am going to assume it's normal though...the bottle was sealed and everything, i'm probably just being paranoid...but i guess it can't hurt to ask.

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Just saw this thread now and wondered how your fish were doing?

thank you for asking!

-i added the first dose this morning (about 12 hours ago), and right now, my fish are all sitting on the bottom of the tank with their fins clamped, and my fantail has quite a few bloody streaks in his tail! they are floating toward the filter not moving, when they get right on it, they swim away, but they aren't looking good...i'm really worried!! is this a normal side effect of prazi??

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I am treating for flukes, using prazi Q, I added the first dose about 12-13 hours ago. My fish are now sitting on the bottom of the tank, like they are about to die. They are clamped, and not swimming...they only swim when they get too close to the filter, they swim away. My fantail has also developed a bunch of red streaks in his tail.

-are these normal side effects? should i change the water? I'm starting to panic :krazy:

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Hi Grain :)

Prazi is very gentle so first up, how is your water quality? The problem with flukes is they have a nasty habit of causing secondary bacterial infection so the damage they do is awful :(

Do you have loads of air in the tank? Is their breathing laboured? How does their poop look? Do you know for certain it's flukes?

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thank yo uso much for answering!

-i probably shouldn't have started this topic, but i was freaking out!

(i have another topic in the diagnosis forum which explains the situation leading up to this treatment)

http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/...showtopic=55130

-anyways, rick from the goldfish connection told me to use the prazi to treat some tumors, which he believed were a bacterial problem caused by flukes.

earlier today, my water quality was great, but i am going to re-test now just incase.

breathing doesn't seem labored...it actually doesn't really look like he's breathing much at all...i just put a few pieces of medi gold in (i'm treating with that as well) and they all started eating and loved it, so that's good....but when it was gone, they went back to the bottom and not moving much

the poop for the most part is brown, but is ee some clear stuff in some pieces too.

i do have 3 bubble walls for air

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To be honest, I'd continue with the treatment as you are - there's nothing more I could suggest. If the poop is both coloured and white/stringy, then it could be something bacterial but if there isn't a parasite at play, then the prazi shouldn't hurt your fish or your filter. Plus the medigold will help with any bacterial illness :)

What colour are their gills?

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