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Terrible Hemorrhaging..


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I must have jinxed myself lastnight when I said I thought things were looking better in my tank after feeding this medicated food. I went downstairs to check on my fish this morning and Beaureguard- though acting quite fine and swimming up to the glass begging for food- is covered in blood spots through his body and tail. Even some in his eye. I have been having bacterial issues... though this has shown up since starting the medicated food. What do I do? Continue feeding medigold? He's a piggy and very quick.. is it possible he's getting too much medigold? Should I add pima/melafix ? Beaureguard was one of the two fish I got on my birthday- I love him :( What are the odds he will live?

http://66.114.136.163/fish/beau1.jpg

http://66.114.136.163/fish/beau2.jpg

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these should work, they don't show the terrible extent of his problem.

ammonia- 0

Nitrite- 0

Nitrate- 5

PH-7.8

180 gallons, running roughly 3 months. 3 Aquaclear 110 filters. usually 20 % a week water change.

about 13 fish. Use jungle chlorine remover and aquatan water conditioner. No new fish. Feed wardley flakes but right now Medigold.

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I 'think' that this sounds like Septicemia because of the blood streaks, but the non-sluggish behavior suggests otherwise. I would Quarantine the fish immediately, (if possible) and watch for signs of dropsy as it could cause this.

As for treatment, I think that you could either keep treating with medigold or switch to maracyn-2 but Maracyn-2 and medigold are not compatible so it is one or the other.

However, I really don't know alot about what is going on there. I would try to get someone else's opinion as I have never dealt with Septicemia and I know very little about it. I do know that it is a good idea to treat it quickly though.

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I have him in the 10 gallon QT now- I put him there ASAP after noticing his problem this morning. I am worried this could be dropsy as I had one other dropsy, hemorrhage, and die very quickly. The only difference is this guy is acting perfectly normal.

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Could it be a reaction to the medigold?

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I have to correct you...........Medigold and Maracyns can be USED together. There is no contradiction in it.

As the above poster said it could be septicimia, a bacterial infection that has spread into the blood stream.

A medicated food such as Medigold or Metromed are recommended. However know that with septicimia the best route is injectable antibotics. Do you have a vet that can do this, or a vet who will sell you what you need to do it?

Septicimia is very hard to treat and has a high mortality rate. This could be that the fish had a bacterial infection that just out weighed the medigold.

I haven't heard of fish having a reaction to medigold, but then I guess it is possible. But I would tend to think the medigold has helped to keep it "at bay" until it just couldn't any longer.

I will check back with you tonight.

For now I would keep the fish in fresh temp match clean water and continue the medigold.

If you would like to start Maracyn and have it, then it is ok.

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Worse. His fin is clamped this morning, and he's covered in weird white balls... looks like an old sweater- pilling. I don't know if this is a fungus, or just thickened slime coat or what. His hemorrhaging also looks a little redder. I fed him some medigold- still eats well and is active.

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I don't think I can really get any good photographs of this- I will try my best however. I haven't really ever seen anything like this before. They are slightly larger than a pinhead and I'd say he has 20-30 of them from the front of his dorsal to the base of his tail :( poor Beaureguard. It does look very uncomfortable. I am thinking about putting him down but he acts so lively... I think he may still have a chance.

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I contacted another member, but she isn't on yet today. Hopefully she'll help out. Since you are having a difficult time with the photo, maybe really being specific on describing these things will help others to advise.

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By any chance does it look similar to these pictures?

This is Rocky - one of my fish that has had a problem for almost 2 + years. It startes out with a bit of whitish fluff that progresses to whitish balls - some of which appear to be on stalks. At the base of each ball or stalk, within a few days, a dark reddish sore develops.....

I took Rocky to practically every fish specialist I could find. We ran numerous cultures and tests. All to no avail. Recently, though, it was diagnosed as Saprolegniasis - http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/koipond/f..._disorders.html

Since, I have been treating with Acriflavine and Victoria Green semi-successfully. It will clear him of it quickly, but he seems to have a systemic condition that soon returns. I have not been able to clear him competely of the disease despite treatments.

Rocky does remain hearty, heathy acting and happy - even though he occasionally sports a fuzzy tuft or two.

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Ack, it looks a lot like this, Daryl. Only that his red spots aren't just where the whitish balls were... he's just coered in hemorrhages... even in his eyes and worst on his belly. Do you think it is still the same thing?

Also- do you know if this is contagious and if I can use these medicines while using pima fix? Thanks so much

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I would suggest stopping the prima fix treatment. It is not doing the job. I am not necessarily a big fan of Prima Fix or MelaFix - they have their place - but in this case you need a "bigger gun".

Yes , this is contagious, but does not seem to be outrageously so. My fish was in with other fish for a looooong time - and he has had multiple rounds of this over several years - and no other fish has EVER come down with it. Treat it as contagious, but do not fret too much over it. It is not a really scary contagious.

Next- MaryOxy will treat this in some cases - more often than not, I am told. My fish, Rocky, has it hard-core. Maryoxy will clear him within 24 hours, but he will rebloom within 12 hours after treatment is ended. The combo Acriflavine/Victoria Green works VERY well. It will clear the fish within 12-24 hours, too.

I would suggest trying one of these treatments. They are simple to use - fairly gentle on the fish and readily available and fairly cheap. If they work, GREAT - you have identified the problem as a fungus - most likely one in the Saprolegnia family. If it does not respond, then you know that you are not dealing with that. It will not hurt the fish to treat with the Maryoxy or Acriflavine/VictoriaGreen (API Fungus Cure) and it may help. :)

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I am so glad that Daryl is able to help you. I know how nasty this illness is from Rocky's fight. If anyone can get you thru this is Daryl. So far she is the only one to come across this.

Good luck. For now I willl sit back and let her help you.

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Beaureguard started looking a little better lastnight... this morning his redness has really toned down though of course, he's far from back to normal. He's never changes behavior this whole time- and I am glad he's starting to imrove. His Pimafix treatment is up in a few days.. I will go ahead and finish at something seems to be helping, and then start Fungus Cure immediately after. I have lost a lot of fish lately from bacteria and so far Beaureguard seems to be really hanging in there- which I am thankful for. I really don't want to lose him. Thanks so much for your help Daryl and LaurieP, I appreciate it so much!

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After being gone for two days I returned home to a seemingly A-okay Beaureguard. I am going to keep him in QT for another week but all appears fine now. This was an extremely bizarre problem. Hopefully he won't relapse or have further complications.

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