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I was watching my new betta very closely today and on one side of his body I noticed two tiny white spots(looks like it could be ich). On one of his pectoral fins he has another one of those tiny white spots. One the other pectoral fin it looks like a small patch of cloudly white. The cloudy white is not raised, cottony, or looks like ich. I tested the water and the parameters are perfect. Oh yeah, he is swimming around constantly, but not flashing. He isn't trying to scrape his body on anything, but he just hardly takes the time to sit still. His fins are not clamped. He doesn't appear to breathing irregularly. Maybe I am catching something really early? Anyone have any suggestions on what they think it might be? I feel so bad right now I could cry. I never had a fish become seriously ill in my posession. Please help me diagnose what the heck is going on.

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Hi,

You're lucky (or a very good keeper!) to have never had serious disease problems. I know that fish are really sensitive to white spot (ich) when they go into a new environment and some say that it is always exists in the tank and it waits to attack weak fish. Your fish will have been weakend by the move and so on. If I were you, I'd treat him for white spot. If the spots have not gone in a few days, time to think of something else.

My rainbow shark had white spot and they went after one day of treatment (and he only had a few spots, like yours), the barbs are still scratching against stuff as it takes 2 weeks to be totally eradicated as it lives in the water.

:goodluck

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Thanks....I suspected it was ich(white spot). I have the meds here to take care of it. Guess I will go in and treat the tank right now. I agree, the move probably stressed him out quite a bit. Not to mention that he went from a tiny glass bowl to a 5 gallon aquarium. I imagine the poor little guy is just beside himself with all the differences. I just don't have any experience with bettas. All my experience lies in goldfish keeping, which I seem to have a knack for ;) .

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I am sure he will be happy in his new luxuary pad as soon as he feels a bit better!

I think I am getting better with my fish, thanks to this website! I come on here daily, not just when my fish are sick. I've learned loads! Although my cold water tank is still overstocked. My fish seem happy enough ad the water's fine.

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I said I was going to put meds in the tank, but decided not to quite yet. I need to research exactly what I am going to do first. You see, I am really against putting harsh chemicals in the water if I don't have to. Since I have caught this so early I am going to research my options and see if I can find something to treat the fish with that is mild and won't destroy my bio filter. I have realized that he absolutely hates the light on in the tank. If I keep it off he acts just fine and even started a bubble nest. If I turn the light on, that's when he starts acting all crazy. So, now I am off to search the net for some information. I'll keep you all updated as to what I find out. Oh yeah, he still only has two tiny white spots on his side and the one tiny spot on one of his pectoral fins. So he isn't worse.

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All morning I researched a lot of information from all different betta keepers with lots of experience with them. This is what I decided: My betta definitely has ich. And upon further inspection I discovered two more white dots just inside his gill. So I did a partial water change(30%), put in a tablespoon of aquarium salt, and added 5 drops of Quick Cure. I know I said I was hesitant to use any chemicals that could destroy the bio filter, but I found out that Quick Cure does not harm the bio filter(so happy about that!). And yes, I removed the carbon from the filter pad before adding the meds. That was 5 hours ago. Now my betta is swimming around normally and calmly. One of the white spots has even disappeared from his side! I am so happy he is content now. His appetite has been excellent from day one. He just got his evening meal and devoured every last pellet. I plan on treating the tank for 10 to 14 days. I absolutely do not want the ich to return. All of the experienced betta keepers I came across this morning seem to have no worries or concerns about using salt as a help in curing diseases. In fact, they encourage it. Personally, I only plan on using it while I cure the ich. Since I think my betta will easily "survive" this, I have decided to rename him. I am naming him after my favorite contestant from the current Survivor series on TV. His name is now Rupert. It fits him so well. :D Oh yeah, one last thing, his light has been on for the last couple of hours and he doesn't mind it a bit. Must have been the ich that was driving him batty. The light may have aggravated him while being stressed by the ich. Now that he has relief, he could care less about the light. I am so glad.

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YAY!!

P.S. What is aquarium salt? Why do you use it and where do you get it from (I'm in the UK)?

LOL, q's q's everywhere!

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Really the only time I would recommend using the aquarium salt is if you have fish in a tank that hasn't cycled yet and there are high nitrites present in the water. The salt stops the the fish from nitrite exposure. The only other time I would use it would be if your fish are sick with parasites or from something bacterial. The salt acts as a stress reducer and aids in helping battle what ails the fish. Sorry, I am not very informed on tropical tanks. Keeping a betta(which is tropical freshwater) is all new to me. If we were talking goldfish(cold, freshwater) I could tell you a lot. :lol: As far as saltwater tanks go, I am completely ignorant.LOL

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Rupert!! I love it! I was so sad to see him go. Did you hear that hes most likely going to be on the All Start Survivor thats airing early next year!? Im so excited, I really hope he lasts longer on that one. I personally thought he deserved to win it all!

**Steps down from soapbox**

Im really glad to hear that you diagnosed the problem. ;) It sounds like your little Rupert is going to be just fine. Isnt it weird what can stress them, like moving to a bigger house!? Mine hardly knew what to do with all their space. Good luck with your Rupert.

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In my opinion the only time salt has any use or need in a cold water tank is like I said earlier. Only if there is a high nitrite level in the water or if the fish are ailing from a parasite or external bacterial/fungal infection. Otherwise the salt is simply unnecessary. There are certain fish and other creatures that reside in tropical or coldwater freshwater tanks that really should not be exposed to salt. The minicatfish breeds being one of them. Actually scaleless fish don't like salt, like suckerfish breeds. Snails can be harmed by the salt. It harms them because it burns the heck out of them and can kill them. The salt kills about 80% of the known parasites that affect coldwater fish(especially goldies). If the fish in a coldwater tank becomes mildly infested with parasites it is possible to correct by using salt alone without harsher meds. When a tank is going through it's cycling phase and there are fish in the tank, salt should be added when the nitrites begin to spike. Nitrites are toxic to the fish and when they are exposed to elevated levels of it, it basically suffocates them to death. The nitrites affects the gills of the fish preventing the uptake of oxygen. When you add salt to the water it counteracts the effects the nitrites have on the gills. The salt allows the uptake of oxygen so the fish can survive the nitrite phase of the tank cycle. Salt also aids in developing a healthy slimecoat which is responsible for protecting the fish from parasites and/or other diseases. Some people like to use salt in a tank just for preventive measures, but I think if there isn't a problem don't try to fix it. There has been a couple of times that I suspected a parasite or fungal thing may be lurking in my goldfish tank just by the way the fish were acting(there was no visible signs anything was wrong). They just seemed like something may have been bothering them and I have added salt to see if it helped. In each case it did seem to bring the behaviors back to what I consider themselves. I watch my fish very closely each day and I know all their habits and behaviors. If something is a little out of whack I notice it right away. I think that's why my goldfish have never had a true sick day in their life. I've never seen ich on my goldies or any other parasite. One time they did have a slight case of fungus, but I used a salt/antibiotic combo and it wiped it out. Eventually I will come to know all my new bettas normal behaviors and personality. I think the more you watch your fish, the better and quicker you will be able to catch anything wrong with them. Now that I have been doing more research, I think I know exactly why the betta started becoming infested with ich. The water I used to start the five gallon was directly from the goldfish tank. The filter pad I used to begin with was an established one from the goldfish tank. There is even a patch of gravel that I took from the goldfish tank in the bottom of the betta tank. Since ich is always present in a tank and I used water from a tank with ich present it only makes sense that the betta became infested since he was stressed from the move/introduction into a new tank. It kind of sucks because all I was trying to do was bring my betta into an already established environment and it ended up being harmful to him :( . At least the ich meds don't affect the bio filter, so once I get this cleared up all should be well.

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Jsrtist, I loved Rupert and was so mad when he was stabbed in the back by those creeps! I cannot stand that blonde guy(Jon). He even lied to everyone and said his grandma died just to get sympathy from the other tribe members. I agree, Rupert definitely deserved to win. He is the ultimate survivor. He didn't even need anyone. He could have survived all by himself. I guess he was a threat. If he would have went to the end, the jury would have unanimously voted for him. He just a very nice likeable guy. I hope he does well in the All-star survivor too.

Yeah, I think little Rupert is going to be just fine. Every morning I wake up to find that he has worked on his bubble nest so he must be feeling pretty good. All of his white spots are gone now except for a really, really tiny one on his side.

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Hi lionheadfancier,

Would the dosage to treat ich in bettas be the same as for goldies ... i.e. 3 tablespoons per 5 gallons, added in three doses or 1 tbsp. each time (12 hours apart)?

Also, with the QC, did you add 5 drops per day for how many days?

Just in case I encounter ich with my new guy :)

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