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Dory had a quiet day. Eagerly swimming to the surface when it was food time, obviously stronger swimming, but resting more than she has. I wonder if the Epsom is starting to get her, so, I have lowered the dose in her replacement water by 50%.

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Eating? I'd call it pigging out - she is constantly begging for food. LOVES the ProGold, and snarfs it out of the water column before it hits bottom, for most of the pellets. Those she misses, she immediately starts grazing for. Not at all affected by the current in her tank, she can swim and go where she wants to, and often does. Sleeping in the back of the tank about half way between bottom and top. Maybe the light is still bothering her? Heck she had such an active day yesterday, maybe she is just tired. And we were very busy in her room today, I was working most of the day on the new saltwater tank, and doing chemistries on the main GF tank, etc. My daughters had kids trouping in and out all day, and it was tank cleaning day for the turtles. So lots of activity right in front of her.

No new obvious exterior physical symptoms to report. No reoccurance of the pineconing, and she's staying un-bloated.

All of this is why I am thinking it may be time to start trying to get her off the epsom salt. After tonight's water change, she's at 3/4 of max dose if my math is right - 50% change but only replaced 1/2 the salt in her new water.

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OK, 3 hours after Dory's water change slightly lowered the salt, and 2 hours after lights out, she's swimming around like a fish without a problem in the world.

I think Dory may be trying to tell us that she's wanting to get back to more normal conditions - at least, so far, each time we move her in that direction her activity levels improve, and she shows no signs of regressing into dropsy.

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Laurie, when Dory is off the Epsom salts are we going to use regular aquarium salt on her? Or let her stay salt free for a bit? I know it is not yet time, but I'm trying to plan ahead and have what I need on hand.

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I would think that having her as normal as possible is worth a shot, so salt free would be the goal. However I would have some on hand........just in case.

She is a trooper huh. Eating like a little piggy.......good for her.

I would maybe keep the light off, see if she likes that. Anything that helps her to maintain normal conditions will cement her recovery quicker. I know when my fish aren't just right, they like a little darkness to the tank.

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Let's quantify piggie - she's eating 10 to 12 ProGold pellets 3x a day. Catches a few on the way down each time, and then grazes immediately for the rest. Seems piggy to me, but I am also biased by how little she ate in the past month. Also she's always been something of a lazy fish, Nemo has always been more active than she. But she's clearly not back to normal-for-her activity yet. Color is continuing to improve, and the places she lost scales are almost completely healed. I'd say she's about 85% of the way back to what she looked like before all this. Once again, no sign today of a recurrance of bloating or pineconing - if anything, she's shrunk a little more.

I'll try leaving her light out tomorrow - it is only a 25 watt vs her usual 96 watt, but it is worth a shot, for sure. Maybe it will slow down the brown algae some, as well.

thanks as always,

Dave

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Dory was up and actively swimming this morning at lights on. Ate well, including grazing. Swimming appeared somewhat more authoritative and purposeful. After eating I turned off her light, and she continued to swim for a good 10 mins before it was time for me to leave for work. I think on Wed, I will lower her temp 1 more degree since it will have been a week. And then cut the salt some more over the weekend if everything stays good. So far, nothing but positive reactions to lowering temp and salt, seems like a good sign to me.

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Well let's see she is 5 inches, so I think she is within range. I dont' know the exact specifics of the weight/how much she needs range but I still think she is in the "safe" zone.

She doesn't look to be losing weight or gaining does she?

If she is thinner looking I would bump her up, if she is maintaining then I would continue with the higher end of what she is on now.

I know Daryl knows about how much a fish should eat of med food for how big it is. Let me see if I can ask her.

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Laurie,

Thanks, but Dory is off the med food and on ProGold. :-) Seems to be maintaining, tho it is hard to tell with her blaoting going away - she certainly does not look thin. Eats very well; maybe I should bump her up some and see it that helps her energy level.

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Oh ok, sorry why do I keep thinking she isn't done with her med food??????.......... :rofl

Anyway for the record, with the med food they should get 1-3% of their body weight in food. Split between 3 feedings a day. (this is for those who are wondering and are reading this thread).

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Probably because Nemo is back on med food :-). No worries.

Does that amount of ProGold seem right for Dory? Remember, before all this I never fed pellets, so I'm not sure what she should be eating.

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Dave

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Yeah I still think it is about right.

A good way to tell is to actually time it. She should be able to eat as much as she can for 2 mins. Especially if you are feeding her 3 times a day.

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Thanks, Laurie, understood!

Dory down to 77.5 degrees today, although it will take her tank a while to drift down to that temp. Appetite improving again, she ate more pellets as they sank (probably twice as many) and then still went to graze. Gonna have to increase her portions I think, since she easily ate 15 ProGold sticks in two minutes. Her activity level and appetite improves, it seems, each time I lower either temp or salt content. Go Dory!

Her color under her chin, which had been greyish white, is much more orange and normal looking today. Caught her swimming around checking the surface for food when she didn't know I was watching. So, to me, it seems she's getting a little stronger each day. I suppose as sick as she was, I should not expect her to recover all at once, eh? Still it is nice to see progress, ;-) Probably start to lower her from 1/2 Epsom Salt (1/8 tsp/5 gal) to 1/4 over the weekend; another degree down next Wednesday. So far, alternating lowering salt and temp is working well, I'd say.

Dave

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Hi Laurie,

Last night at about 2 am the younger of my 2 Bichons Frisee, Gabriella (Gabby) passed, without apparent reason. Hopefully the necropsy will shed some light. Her brother Boo was also taken very ill, but at least as of 5pm tonight he was holding is own. Our assumption is that they somehow got into something toxic, since the gross examination revealed no major physical problem like a tumor, stroke, heart attack, intestinal obstruction, etc. Boo has a seriously compromised liver and upper GI tract from a previous illness and major surgery, but the specialist we get reffered to give him a 75% chance. So we are hopeful.

Accordingly I got a chance to watch Dory from 2 am to 6am because I was sitting up with Boo. Never once did I see her rest on the bottom with "lights out".

Did her normal water change tonight, and increased her ProGold some, which she snarfed. I think she's still doing well.

Dave

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Dave that is good about Dory!!

Now, I am so sorry for your loss! How horrible. (don't know if I have mentioned, but I am a vet tech).

I agree, with both dogs being violently sick there was an "outside" source.......toxins being the most common.

Have you walked the yard? I know that sometimes people (neighbors) will poision animals in nearby yards. Just a thought to throw at you. Of course I am sure the vets told you this.

What a nightmare. I hope that you find out what happened. Let me know. If you want you can even pm me about it.

Take care!!

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Thanks Laurie,

Our yard is fenced, and we did walk it without finding anything. So, we'll wait and see what the toxicology report says, if anthing, and maybe that will give us a clue where to look more closely.

Boo was looking much better today, thank goodness. He's 10, and has other issues (major surgery last year for rmoval of his gall bladder and common bile duct, our specialist thinks he has the equivalent of Chrone's (sp) disease in humans - and guess what - although it is super rare in dogs, our vet wrote the definitive research paper on it during his post-grad. Apparently it is managable with a small dose of steroids daily. Whatever happened to him and Gabby flared all this up in him again, so it's a matter of getting everything back in whack. He may be able to come home on Sunday, we'll see.

Gonna start tonight getting Dory off the rest of the Epsom salts. And yes, I thought it was good too that she's active, even if it is in the dark and at feeding time.

24 hours after adding about 1.5 - 2 tsp of ammonia to the main, ammo is at 0 and nitrites at 5. Nitrite bugs have some catch-up work to do, but we're obviously progressing.

Dave

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Everything sounds good with Dory, I so hope she continues to thrive.

I also hope that Boo gets better. What a mess. Hopefully they can determine the cause, when you will get word?

It is hard when you lose a pet. Just yesterday I lost my newest oranda, Ducky. I have no idea what happened. We are thinking trauma to the head........but we'll never know.

He developed a "black eye" with bruising behind it as if someone punched him. Then within days he pineconed, only one side. Very bad too and went neurologic on me. His right side looked to be paralyzed. And before I could get to work to euthanize him he passed.

It is very hard when you don't know what happens, I hope the necropsy will reveal it for you.

Take care and enjoy your holiday the best you can.

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Oh my, Laurie. I am so sorry for the loss of your fish.

I have lost many pets given my age, and I swear it does not get any easier. We should have the toxicology reports back early next week, they put a "rush" on them for us in case anything that was discovered could be of help for Boo. He looked a LOT better tonight, and may come home as early as Sunday; he'll have to be on special diets and meds for the rest of his life, most likely, but there is nothing immediately threatning now - he's over the first, major hump, it seems. Time will tell. I miss Gabby something fierce; usually she's been under my chair while I've been typing away about the fish.

Dory went to 1/8 tsb per 10 gal of Epsom tonight - 1/4 the max dose. I have never seen a fish have such a dramatic reaction. She LOVES it, and is even swimming around a good deal more with her light on, now! And for the first time in a long time, she was actually scraping algae off the back glass. I think these are good signs. I'm considering going ahead with a 50% water change with no salt

tomorrow - what are your thoughts?

We will enjoy our holiday, and I hope you will as well, Easter is a time to celebrate Dory's improvment and Boo's improvement, while remembering those who cannot be here to celebrate with us, I think.

My 6 year-old is still clammed up - still in denial, so we have some work to do with her. But all will be fine in time. I'm still not sure how to explain to her that even if we get a new puppy, the dog will not be a "Gabby replacement",but a dog with her own personality and habits who will have to be loved for herself, not because she's like Gabby. Kids :-)

thanks,

Dave

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Sure enough - it's night and dark in my living room, and Dory is splashing about. Going to have to teach her to like the lights and sleep at night, again, I guess. I can't really see day-to-day progress with her, now, but week-to-week, she does seem to be steadily improving. Hope it continues!

And thanks to EVERYONE, once again, who has contributed, commented, suggested, etc. on this thread. There is no way Dory would have made it this far without all of you.

And a special big :I-Thank-You: to Laurie P.

Hopefully the rest of this thread will see Dory back in her new main tank :-)

Dave

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Thanks for the well wishes Dave. I too am hoping to have a good Easter.

Hmmmm, I don't know about doing a 50% change. She is doing so good one would think it would be ok........but then again we dont' want her to back slide. I think you should go with your gut. You have done great with her and can see her. I can't, I can only go by what you post............so let me know how it goes.

I too want to see this thread end with her back in the main tank with Nemo, what fun that will be.

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You're right of course - don't want to rush her, so I'm going to keep her at 1/4 Epsom for a few days before going the rest of the wayto zero. 1/8 tsp for 10 gals - half the original dose. Or 3/16 tsp for her new water assuming a 50% change. Now where did I put my 1/16th tsp measurer? LOL.

Boo is home! He's doing great so far, but on a fistful of meds for the moment.

And being watched like a hawk, :-) He goes back for another blood check probably Monday.

Dave

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