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exactly how does it work? I'm trying to run a fishless cycle. (some may remember this from another thread) I finally found some pure ammonia (thanks for the tip DataG found it at Ace). But one of the non-reliable pet stores recommended Nutrifin Cycle.

I've read in other threads that it's great stuff. But exactly how does it work? How can it cycle your tank and bypass normal cycling. Or does it just make the toxins non toxic so you can add your fish?

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Cool. :)

So are you going to start with 5ppm ammonia? That'd probably toast the snails.

Cycle says it contains the bacteria that convert ammonia to nitrIte and then to nitrAte. I doubt it has the right bacteria. Biospira from Marineland would be a better bet. Seeding from your existing filter would be cheaper and more effective. Doc Johnson describes instantly cycling his kid's tank with an UGF and sqeezings from his pond filter. I'm curious as to how the biobugs in the tank that have been without ammonia for a couple of weeks do.

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I've been using "Cycle" with all my tanks. I've always had good results. eg. 200g with 10 fish - totally virgin set-up (new filter, new water, no gravel, you get the picture) Ok, it took a month for the tub to cycle but I did zero water changes. The highest readings I got were ammonia 3, nitrIte 5 - nothing a bit of Prime couldn't handle.

Personally, I haven't experienced Biospira, it's not available here, but I've only read excellent ravs about it.

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Thanks to both of you. Would it hurt to put the Bio-spira in with the Cycle?

The lfs that sold me the bio-spira said to wait 24hrs before adding fish...so would that be 24hrs before adding ammonia too?

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Connie, you can add the ammonia any time you like. The only reason to wait before adding fish is to give the biospira a chance to start working. I don't think it would "hurt" to use both together, especially as you have no fish in the tank but it's probably a bit OTT and a waste of money.

Silver, bio-spira is 'bottled bacteria", it does claim to cycle the tank faster and be less harmful (lower levels of ammonia/nitrItes). Everyone seems mighty impressed by it's results and I'd love to give it a try if it ever becomes available.

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Thanks Fishmerised

I'll start adding a bit of the ammonia. There was really only one nice sized snail that I have already removed. The others were tinier than the tip of a pin. As much as I don't like to put anything in harms way...these guys breed faster than the wild rabbits in my yard.

I'm really anxious to get this going so I can move my goldies. :lol:

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Wow, I'm gonna try using that when I bring my 55 gal in. I was trying to prolong it cause I didn't wanna cylce it but I guess a week or 2 at the most doesn't sound that bad. And if it actually works over night even better :)

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Since I added the ammonia - 2 cap fulls last night (1 capfull equaled 1.00ppm but it was getting late so I only added 2caps). Tested just the ammonia this morning and it was just roughly around 2.00ppms. So I will wait to see how this does then and not add any more.

Since this is a pretty good sized tank (with the stand, it's over my head measuring about ohhh 66-72"H maybe?) I just didn't want to go through all the water changes I did with the other tanks when they went through their cycling.

Will test all water params later, after my son's baseball practice this evening.

Thanks for your help you two. I'll keep you up on my tanks progress

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Params this evening are

Ammonia: 1.0

Nitrates 20

Nitrites 0.00 to 0.25

Ph 7.6

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nitrates, with the water added the other tank, were around 10

Tap water is 0ppm

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FishM.... I forgot to answer your Nitrate question

I had originally filled the tank 3/4ths full with tap water then as I did water changes on my other established tanks, I was using that water to slowly add to the new tank. Also I had an emporer 280filter that was fully cycled and an eheim 2028 that was partially cycled. Also there is a small area where I had used gravel from an established tank.

I am thinking that the nitrates came over from some of that stuff.

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This evening

Ammonia 0.25

Nitrates 5.

Nitrites 0.25

PH 7.6

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I think you could do what Dataguru suggested - add a fish. Those levels are pretty safe, it sounds like the cycle has started so you need to either add fish or add some more ammonia.

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rather start with the fish...is it safe for flying fox's or plecos (Clown) I already have algea growth

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So about 2 days to convert 2ppm ammonia.

so it looks like it can almost handle 1ppm per day at this point.

What happened to the 20ppm nitrAte?

on the fish. dunno. how touchy are those to ammonia and nitrIte? Doesn't sound like a big bioload.

My big moor was putting out 1ppm of ammonia per day in a 10 gallon tank last year. I wonder if w could use that to guestimate how much ammonia the biofilter would have to handle with your goldies based on 140 gallons.

The thing is if you don't get the biobugs up to speed to the point they can handle the goldies bioload, then after you add the goldies, it may take a bit for the biofilter to catch up if you add them all at one time. How big are they? I hear you about not wanting to have to do partial water changes on a big tank.

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Goldies are about 2" to 4" without tails. Flying fox(looks like the dwarf Oto) is about 2 1/2." I could just add one at a time till the tank adjusts to the increased bioload. Which is what I was planning on doing anyway. I was just trying to avoid dragging the python through the house almost everyday. It's about 35' to the sink from the tank.

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this morning

ammonia...not quite 0.25

nitrate between 20-40

(mabybe i didnt' shake the 2nd bottle good enough last night)

nitrite 0

ph 7.6

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Thinking of what dataguru said about your tank now managing to cycle 1ppm of ammonia per day and her telescope (in 10g) producing 1ppm ammonia per day.

It's a huge tank, gee, if I'm getting this right you could add 14gf to get the same result as Betty in her 10g (1ppm ammonia daily). I don't think that's what she would recommend you do though. :lol:

Connie, I think if you are going to keep this cycle alive you need to add at least 3-4 fish. There is nothing to panic about. That number of fish isn't go to do anything drastic to upset the cycle. If your ammonia etc, does creep up a little bit just add some Prime. You don't need to use the full recommended dose each time. The recommended dose will deal with 6ppm ammonia, so for example if your ammonia is 2ppm only add one third of the dose.

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