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Having Kh, Ph And Gh Problems....

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Ok.... From what I have read on here... I I learned I am having a problem with my KH, and PH most definaltey and would like some help solving the problem and how I should go about fixing it....

Ok... I set my tank up and completely cycled it...took over a month for a fishless cycle but i got it after much confusion on my part...when i first set the tank up i used a product called ProQuatics Water conditioner for aquariums... I also was using a bacteria Starter by proquatics that the only thing it did was bind ammonia... after stopping the use of the bacteria starter I also thought it would be a good idea to stop use of the conditioner made by the same company... and bought some amquel.....My tank not needing any changes during the fishless cycle never had the amquel added to it... tank tested for PH and KH same as my tap every test...after having completed the cycle I changed 50% of the water out as per instructions on the fishless cycle page, before purchasing and adding my new goldies. This new change I used the Amquel for conditioner....not thinking about the ph or KH again i didn't pay attention to the reading on the test strip for them....was just worried about a slight learch in my cycle that I thought was caused by adding two fish to the tank instead of one at first... I have done daily water changes to keep the nitites down in the tank and to keep it from harming the fish... after using up al the amquel I had I found and purchased prime because it is suppose to detoxify the nitrites and nitrates in the tank... hopefully easy the stress on the fish in my thoughts and allowing the cycle to catch back up by not having to change the water religiously every day.... seemed to ease the fish ... so I went looking for aquarium salt to also ease the stress for them during this rough period (while at the lfs I found that they have Bio Spira in stock and purchase a packet of it to bump this process along a bit faster)...still not paying any attention to the KH or PH... now I read some where on here that Sometimes Amquel will cause a crash in your PH and yout KH and thus can cause a cycle crash so I tested my tap for base readings and got...

Tap

PH 7.2

KH 300 ppm

GH 150 ppm

so I then tested my tank for comparison....

Tank

PH 6.2 or lower that is bottom test score

KH 0

GH 150

so somewhere along ther way it crashed and crashed big time...

how to fix....and now am wondering if the bio spira I paid 12 bucks for was a waste of money die to bio bugs not living in the low PH KH tanks....

Anyone got any ideas cause my tap water is ideal.... oe pretty close to ideal... should I pull out the goldies put them in someting else and revamp my tanks water with the tap water being ideal and find a good conditioner that won't crash everything??? or should I do something different.... my poor goldies are living in horrible conditions and I want to change that before the get sick...I can get more bio spira... my fish dude at the lfs has plently more.. so he says....

Help!!!!

:help1:madrant

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Hi Betty,

Seeing that it is a new tank and you only have 2 fish in it, my suggestion is to relocate the 2 fish to a bucket of clean fresh dechlor'ed water and then do a 100% water change. No need to scrub your tank. Just totally change the water.

Your tap water is good. No point in trying to sort out what is in the tank now. Too much hassle for little gain. Just start again with new water, use only dechlor and a bit of ammolock. Aerate, let the temperature stabilise (for a few hours) and put the 2 fish back in. Run the filter all the time.

There should still be some good bacteria left in your filter so hopefully it will not be a complete recycling. In any case, you have nothing to lose.

My thoughts on cycling and tank additives in general is "the less is the best". There is no reason why a tank will not cycle naturally with the only additive being ordinary water conditioner, salt for the nitrIte and maybe ammonia binder like ammolock to take the edge off the rising ammonia (or do regular partial water changes).

At best, you might shorten a week or two in the cycling time with off-the-shelve bacteria in a bottle. At worst, you can turn your tank into a chemical soup and you will have no idea what and why something is happening. Some commercial outfits will use seeder bacteria to help cycling but they are specially cultured varieties that come in refridgrated(sp?) package and have a very short shelf life and are very expensive.

Cycling takes patience and nerve of steel. ;) There are stages and signs to watch for but issues are well known and easily handled. There is no need for a lot of the fancy additives. They are just money grabbing exercise by companies who want to get a few more bucks from us.

Good luck and keep us posted. :)

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Ok...am in the temprature stabilsing phase.... shouldn't take long at all as I tried to match it pretty close to what it was and I have a heater on the tank for stability for the winter here (electric heat never gets me warm enough) I had it set to 76 and it should pick the tank back up to that in no time at all... during the fishless cycle process I hung a smaller penguin filter on the tank as well as the perminant filter... I took it off a few days before I put the fish in..I did this so I would have a cycled filter for a 10 gal I plan on setting up soon for a hospital quarentine tank... when I took it off I stored it in a small rubbermaid tub with some tank water as well as a couple of extra ornaments I had in the tank for the same reason.... I got those out and placed them in the tank to help this process along..I don't know why I didn't think of it before...

Thanks for your help... If I have anymore issues I'll be certain to ask....

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Doing well, Betty!

Just one point about the storing away of the small filter. The most important thing is oxygen for the good bacteria. You need to place an air stone in the tub to aerate the water. The good bacteria will die off if they are straved of oxygen and are replaced by aeromonas. Even with the aeration, you need to look at feeding them if you are not going to relocate the filter to a new tank after a few days.

You would be better off keeping the small filter hanging off the cycling/cycled tank until you need it and then move it over immediately.

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ohhh wow... I couldn;t leave it on the tank... it's a 20gal.long ... has a pengin 330 for filtration that really cause just enough if not a little more current that is needed for the tank... with the smaller, Penguin 175, filter on there the fish would never be able to get any rest... I took it off initially to create a section of the tank that was fairly current free for a resting area... :unsure:

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OK... Todays readings....

Tank

PH 7.4

KH 300 ppm

GH 150 ppm

Ammonia 0 ppm

Nitrite 5 ppm (highest me test kit tests to)

Nitrate 20 ppm

This is overnight...My cycle is pretty much bang on at getting the ammonia cleared out of the tank but boy those nitrites scare me....My fish however seem to be extremely happy.

Tank was conditioned with prime yesterday to remove Chlorine and all the other nasties from the tap and it is helping a bit with the nitrite toxicity and I also salted a 20g long with 2 tsp of aquarium salt...I do not intend on changing the water out today.... will wait till tomorrow to take approx. 30% out and add fresh back to give the bacterias a bit of time to settle in... if you think I shold chage before that let me know... or even if you think I should wait a little longer... like I said my fish seem very happy and healthy...

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