Regular Member LaurieP Posted September 30, 2004 Regular Member Share Posted September 30, 2004 Hi guys. Here are my answers: Ammonia-0, Nitrites-o, PH-7.6, Nitrates-20-60 (sometimes that one is hard to read). 46 gal tank with an Emperor 400 running on it. Prime added to it when I do water changes. No meds in there right now. Right now I feed Hikari Ornada Gold, peas, Lionhead. Unusual behavoir: Sapphire (the one with the problems right now) has had on and off again SBD. This started over resorbing eggs. She has also became "lazy" she swims slower than normal since all this began. I have been fasting and feeding peas for over 3 weeks. I have not seen any SBD symptoms in about 3 days. She eats, but not as much as she use to. I do a 50% water change once a week. There is 5 orandas in the tank ranging from 4-6 inches. No new fish. CB has a split in a fin, I believe from rough playing (has been trying to spawn with Smudge lately). Sapphire is the one I'm seeking help on. Her RT eye around the top of the "eyeball" looks swollen. It is the same color of the rest of her and doesn't really look like popeye, but what else could it be? I have noticed that her "cheeks" have begun to look bigger and are now Droopy. Does that make sense? She is open mouth breathing alittle more than normal, that started today. All levels from the tap are 0. The chloramines I don't know. Any help would be wonderful. I don't have a hospital tank right now, I'm going to see what I can do about that in the next few days. I'm going to start them on Medigold tomorrow. What else should I do? Thanks guys. PS Could it possibly be just wen growth? And not anything else? Has anyone ever made a comparison to fat droopy cheeks and dropsy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranchugirl Posted September 30, 2004 Regular Member Share Posted September 30, 2004 Laurie, when you say her cheeks become fatter and droopy, does that include a little more headgrowth towards the gills, or ist that just in the face? Just wondering, because if the headgrowth advances too much towards and over the gills, the fish has problems moving them, and therefore doesn't get enough oxygen, which would explain the gasping for air a bit more. Popeye really should look like the shape of a bagle, with the eye ball being the middle of that "wheel". If the swelling is just on one side of the eye, not all around, could she have run into something in the tank - ornament, filter intake?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member LaurieP Posted September 30, 2004 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 30, 2004 Andrea, Yes her wen is covering part of her gills. It really has always been that way, so I'm not sure if it is worse. It is hard to describe, the little "flappy" part is barely visible and sometimes when she is breathing it will curl under and stick. Does that make sense? Her cheek growth is really just in the front. What is a bagle? I suppose she could have run into something in the last few days. She has never been graceful and since the SBD, she has been all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranchugirl Posted September 30, 2004 Regular Member Share Posted September 30, 2004 You have never tried a bagel, Laurie? With cream cheese and some chives? Okay, then here comes some proper american food, at least something that keeps me away from the egg mc muffins... http://www.brueggers.com/cheese.html It basically looks like a donut, exept its made from bread dough. Her cheeks could have start to grow a little more. It is on both sides, right? Or just on the side where the eye appears swollen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member LaurieP Posted September 30, 2004 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 30, 2004 OH gosh I'm so embarassed. A bagle, duh, yes I know what a bagel is. Sorry my brain is not with me right now (left it at work). I actually thought that "bagel" was a fish term. *red face*, The big cheeks are the same on both sides. The reason I am conserned about them being bigger and more droopy is, I had an oranda that I noticed this trait appearing and then dropsy followed it. She didn't make it. Do you think Medigold would be ok to start? Also I'm so afraid you are going to tell me to trim the wen around the gills, are you?????? What else if anything do you think I need to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranchugirl Posted September 30, 2004 Regular Member Share Posted September 30, 2004 Sure, go ahead with the Medigold, Laurie. If the eye got hurt someplace, a round of antibiotics doesn't do any harm and keeps the nasty bacteria in check. You see any red or injury on the eye? Salt of course comes to mind as well.... How bad is the growth on the gills? Trimming around the gills would be a really tricky thing, and last resort, to do. Its a delicate area, and playing around there with a razor or scissor is nothing to mess around with.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member LaurieP Posted September 30, 2004 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 30, 2004 Thanks, The eye itself looks perfectly fine. No blood or bulging, and the "swelling" itself is the same. No blood or "injury" look to it. Now what would you call last resort with trimming the gills? Believe me I"m very well aware how delicate that would be. (don't want to ever have to do it), but I'm nervous it may be a problem in the future (if not now). Do you think keeping her with the others is wrong as well? I so don't have the money to get a hospital tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranchugirl Posted September 30, 2004 Regular Member Share Posted September 30, 2004 A good example when its time to get the scissors out - the fish constantly, all day long, gasping desperately for air, the gill flaps moving rapidly in an effort to get oxygen in, the fish on top of the water all day long, and otherwise being lethargic from lack of oxygen. Some have it so badly that they basically lose body functions, they just float around. Somewhat like us humans feeling the effects of less oxygen in higher mountain areas..... As for keeping her separate, if she is not bullied by anybody and gets her fair share of food, I wouldn't single her out. I would just remove anything she could bump into, and cover the intake tube with foam or stocking. There is however a simple piece of plastic aida that you can use as a "room devider" if you feel she is more comfortable by herself right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member LaurieP Posted September 30, 2004 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 30, 2004 I think I will keep her with the others. Jester and SMudge seem to hang out with her. I think they know something isn't right. As for gills and oxygen. She doesn't hang out on the surface, but most definetly "hang" out floating around all day. Very lethargic is a good way to put it. I attributed the "lack of activity" just from SBD and not the gills but I guess this could be the problem? Oh man I guess I"m gonna have to watch her a little more and determine what is going on with this. Thanks gotta go to bed but I"ll check in tomorrow night and update you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member fisharenewtome Posted September 30, 2004 Regular Member Share Posted September 30, 2004 Aack! Laurie - what is this????? Sadly I haven/t had to treat for this yet! (or maybe not so sadly.....) If you need me to google on it - just let me know!!! Oh your poor fishy! Jenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Devs Posted September 30, 2004 Regular Member Share Posted September 30, 2004 Good Gosh Laurie!!!! I hope it's not popeye,but that is treatable,anyway... Look in my thread about Louie. Erika and koko both posted really good pics of popeye. Post soon with a pic from hubby so we can see what you mean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member LaurieP Posted October 1, 2004 Author Regular Member Share Posted October 1, 2004 OH Gosh, Help Help. She is showing signs of Dropsy!!!!!!! I came home to her rapidly breathing and pineconing!!! She is just hanging out in the middle of the tank. Above the eye is swollen much more than this morning, it looks to be fluid filled, sorta transparent. It is about 3 times the size it was this morning. Her belly looks like it is going to explode. What do I do???? I'm so scared, I don't want to go thru this again. Not my Sapphy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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