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Hello, I am new to this forum but not new to fish keeping. So I have run into a small issue I have not dealt with before I have an oranda in my tank that has developed a tiny red spot near his tail. He is not acting in any abnormal way I just noticed it and wanted advice. I did the first thing I knew and gave him a short salt bath. The darker orange scale has always been there I’m just concerned about the new spot. It’s not large, should I just watch Him or do I need to treat for something. He is in a 55 Gallon with only one other fish and he is a tiny ryukin. 
 

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Hi there!  It’s really important we get some more details about this tank and the fish in it, knowing what they may have been exposed to can help us diagnose.

 Please fill out this diagnostic form as completely as possible, and we can figure out a course of treatment if one is needed :)

 

Test Results for the Following:

* Ammonia Level(Tank)

* Nitrite Level(Tank)

* Nitrate level(Tank)

* Ammonia Level(Tap)

* Nitrite Level(Tap)

* Nitrate level(Tap)

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 

* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

Other Required Info:

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?

* Water temperature?

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?

* How often do you change the water and how much?

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?

* How many fish in the tank and their size?

* What kind of water additives or conditioners?

* What do you feed your fish and how often?

* Any new fish added to the tank?

* Any medications added to the tank?

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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1 hour ago, Arctic Mama said:

 

Test Results for the Following:

* Ammonia Level(Tank)   

* Nitrite Level(Tank)     

* Nitrate level(Tank)     

* Ammonia Level(Tap)

* Nitrite Level(Tap)

* Nitrate level(Tap)

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 

* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

Other Required Info:

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?

* Water temperature?

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?

* How often do you change the water and how much?

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?

* How many fish in the tank and their size?

* What kind of water additives or conditioners?

* What do you feed your fish and how often?

* Any new fish added to the tank?

* Any medications added to the tank?

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating,

 

Hello and thank you for replying to my post 💖

 

the test results are as follows:

Ammonia Level(Tank) 0

* Nitrite Level(Tank) 0

* Nitrate level(Tank) 5.0

* Ammonia Level(Tap) 0

* Nitrite Level(Tap) 0

* Nitrate level(Tap)  0

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)  ph is 7.5

* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)  ph 7.6

Other Required Info:

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API freshwater master

* Water temperature? 73

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?  55 gallons been running for  4 years

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?  Marineland hob emporer 450 , 1 ten gal sponge filter, and aqua clear 70 yes it seems like a lot but I usually have 4 large goldfish in the 55

* How often do you change the water and how much?  Once a week 25-50 percent depending on water test

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Today and 25 percent

* How many fish in the tank and their size? 2 goldfish one 5-6 in oranda abd one 1.5 in ryukin

* What kind of water additives or conditioners? Seachem prime and microbe lift special blend when I rinse media

* What do you feed your fish and how often? Blood worms, saki hakari fancy goldfish, and repashy soilent green I feed typically twice a day and I switch food around

* Any new fish added to the tank?     Last new fish was added over 6 months ago so no

* Any medications added to the tank? No

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. No medication or treatment to full tank did one salt bath for 5 minutes on large oranda 

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? No just a tiny red spot

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? No he acts normally

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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based on your water parameters the fish looks like it is in a good environment. sometimes they rub against something. I would just observe for now if the fish is behaving normally and eating/pooing, just keep an eye on it. If the red spot grows or you notice other symptoms please report back here

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1 minute ago, spider man said:

based on your water parameters the fish looks like it is in a good environment. sometimes they rub against something. I would just observe for now if the fish is behaving normally and eating/pooing, just keep an eye on it. If the red spot grows or you notice other symptoms please report back here

thank you so so much I just worry because I love them too much ❤️ I appreciate they reply and I will definitely keep this updated 

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I’m inclined to agree that nothing needs to be done now, except maybe the annual rounds of prazi if you haven’t treated for flukes in the last year or so. Sometimes we see those little irritated spots when fluke load increases and the fish begins to rub or flash. Do you need help running prazi rounds?

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18 hours ago, Arctic Mama said:

I’m inclined to agree that nothing needs to be done now, except maybe the annual rounds of prazi if you haven’t treated for flukes in the last year or so. Sometimes we see those little irritated spots when fluke load increases and the fish begins to rub or flash. Do you need help running prazi rounds?

Yes actually I have never done that, what do I need to get and how do I do it?  I never treated these two fish with anything because they never showed any signs of anything but I’m willing to do whatever to make sure he’s in tip top shape. He also is an older goldfish ive had him for 4 years and he was big when I got him so there is no telling how old he is if that maybe could contribute. 

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Praziquantel - powdered prazi is my favorite, easily obtained.

https://smithcreekfishfarm.com/products/prazi-power-praziquantel-powder
 

You dose it in several weeks of rounds, four days in the aquarium and three days out. The rounds give any fluke eggs a chance to hatch out.  Usually three rounds is sufficient to drop the fluke load to almost nothing, though it’s almost impossible to completely eliminate gill flukes in Goldfish if they have ever been exposed.

It’s a very safe medication and considered preventative annual care, but be aware some fish get pouty and bottom sit during prazi. This is normal and a sign that fish needed the treatment! 

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59 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

Praziquantel - powdered prazi is my favorite, easily obtained.

https://smithcreekfishfarm.com/products/prazi-power-praziquantel-powder
 

You dose it in several weeks of rounds, four days in the aquarium and three days out. The rounds give any fluke eggs a chance to hatch out.  Usually three rounds is sufficient to drop the fluke load to almost nothing, though it’s almost impossible to completely eliminate gill flukes in Goldfish if they have ever been exposed.

It’s a very safe medication and considered preventative annual care, but be aware some fish get pouty and bottom sit during prazi. This is normal and a sign that fish needed the treatment! 

Okay I just ordered the medication and will treat them as soon as it gets here! so should I just do it in the water or would mixing it with food be a better option? and also should I worry about the affects on my biological filtration? Thank you endlessly for the advice and kindness 💕💕💕

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1 hour ago, Arctic Mama said:

Praziquantel - powdered prazi is my favorite, easily obtained.

https://smithcreekfishfarm.com/products/prazi-power-praziquantel-powder
 

You dose it in several weeks of rounds, four days in the aquarium and three days out. The rounds give any fluke eggs a chance to hatch out.  Usually three rounds is sufficient to drop the fluke load to almost nothing, though it’s almost impossible to completely eliminate gill flukes in Goldfish if they have ever been exposed.

It’s a very safe medication and considered preventative annual care, but be aware some fish get pouty and bottom sit during prazi. This is normal and a sign that fish needed the treatment! 

Also when you say 4 days in aquarium and 3 days out do you mean dose it for 4 days then stop the medication for 3 and the repeat? 

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Yes you dose and leave it in the aquarium for four days, then so a water change and leave things without meds for three days, then redose again the following week and repeat.  Four days in, three days out = one round.

 

The prazi only acts on hatched flukes, the ones that aren’t hatched out are protected. So giving time with it out of the aquarium lets more mature and become vulnerable to the medication. This is a common treatment schedule with parasite medications.

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12 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

Yes you dose and leave it in the aquarium for four days, then so a water change and leave things without meds for three days, then redose again the following week and repeat.  Four days in, three days out = one round.

 

The prazi only acts on hatched flukes, the ones that aren’t hatched out are protected. So giving time with it out of the aquarium lets more mature and become vulnerable to the medication. This is a common treatment schedule with parasite medications.

Okie dokie that makes sense, do I take out the carbon as well and how large of a water change? Thank you for all the help 

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Don’t run carbon in your tank on a regular basis, it’s only needed when trying to remove certain meds :) you just need mechanical and biological filtration, no chemical.

water changes should be large, almost complete, as a rule that’s better for goldfish. 80-100% changes, which are best achieved by two partial water changes back to back. I like to drain it down until the water barely covers my fish, refill halfway, and drain back down again before completely refilling. That changes over almost the entire water volume without having to scoop out the animals.

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1 hour ago, Arctic Mama said:

Don’t run carbon in your tank on a regular basis, it’s only needed when trying to remove certain meds :) you just need mechanical and biological filtration, no chemical.

water changes should be large, almost complete, as a rule that’s better for goldfish. 80-100% changes, which are best achieved by two partial water changes back to back. I like to drain it down until the water barely covers my fish, refill halfway, and drain back down again before completely refilling. That changes over almost the entire water volume without having to scoop out the animals.

Okay thank you I will keep this in mind next water change as well as when I rinse media💖

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On 6/19/2021 at 3:39 PM, Arctic Mama said:

Yes you dose and leave it in the aquarium for four days, then so a water change and leave things without meds for three days, then redose again the following week and repeat.  Four days in, three days out = one round.

 

The prazi only acts on hatched flukes, the ones that aren’t hatched out are protected. So giving time with it out of the aquarium lets more mature and become vulnerable to the medication. This is a common treatment schedule with parasite medications.

I’m at a loss here, I don’t have the meds yet because they haven’t shipped but my fish has developed other spots on his dorsal fin and quickly basically overnight I can’t really even tell that it is it doesn’t look like ich it looks similar to the other spot. I just don’t know what to do at this point. image.thumb.jpg.59d9b922b8ebd6581833c39dcd592c00.jpg 

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Try to rub them with your fingers. Do they come off easily when scraped? Are they soft or harder like sand grains? On the surface of the fin or feel like they’re imbedded?

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38 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

Try to rub them with your fingers. Do they come off easily when scraped? Are they soft or harder like sand grains? On the surface of the fin or feel like they’re imbedded?

They are harder almost as if there is a break in the fin. They cannot be scraped off similar to the one on his side but the fin doesn’t sit as upright as my other fish, it didn’t look like this at all yesterday. If you look very closely there are some bloody spots around the white dots, I’ve never seen something like this in my fish before I’ve had very good luck I guess until now. 

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Okay can you circle on the picture what dots you’re taking about? I see the rays of the fin and some little white bits. But we might be talking about different spots.

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2 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

Okay can you circle on the picture what dots you’re taking about? I see the rays of the fin and some little white bits. But we might be talking about different spots.

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these ones when I pick him up they have some red streaks around them not how his fin usually looks that’s why I’m concerned. 

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Okay, the rays.  Well I have good and bad news for you. The good news is that this happens sometimes; I’ve even had it happen in my own tank. A ray or multiple rays either get bent or bumped or have other trauma and they develop a little bone spur spot on them. Sometimes this happens with an infection too, weirdly enough. The rays can break and the fins can shred and then regrow. Something they never do and just stay bumpy.

 

The bad news is that unless it’s due to infection it isn’t treatable. You just leave it alone. The good news is that it’s usually harmless and doesn’t need treatment, especially if a mechanical injury like bending the rays on a filter or a rough handling catch is the issue. If there are no other symptoms it’s not a big deal to leave alone and ignore.

 

remember how we suggested the flukes could be causing rubbing or flashing and thus the red spot you noted? That same action against the tank or substrate is likely exactly what bent those rays :)

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Omg thank you so so much I will treat them with the prazi when it gets here anyways and keep an eye on this, I don’t care if they end up looking bumpy I just want him to be healthy and happy.  I appreciate the help so much❤️❤️❤️

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On 6/19/2021 at 3:39 PM, Arctic Mama said:

Yes you dose and leave it in the aquarium for four days, then so a water change and leave things without meds for three days, then redose again the following week and repeat.  Four days in, three days out = one round.

 

The prazi only acts on hatched flukes, the ones that aren’t hatched out are protected. So giving time with it out of the aquarium lets more mature and become vulnerable to the medication. This is a common treatment schedule with parasite medications.

Hi again, the prazi powder is finally here and I want to make sure the dosing I use is correct, I got the exact one you recommended. It says 1/4 teaspoon for 40 gallons but I’m treating a 55 gallon. Math is NOT my strong suit haha so I’ve come for some assistance with my dosing and math. It also says mix it in vodka then place it in the water is that really needed and is it safe for the fish? Thank you. 

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Prazi has a very wide margin of safety, it’s hard to overdose. Just do a heaping quarter teaspoon and you’ll be fine :)  I like to hold it in my hand and rub my fingers together in the water to disperse it, because it clumps up otherwise.

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On 6/24/2021 at 7:48 PM, Arctic Mama said:

Prazi has a very wide margin of safety, it’s hard to overdose. Just do a heaping quarter teaspoon and you’ll be fine :)  I like to hold it in my hand and rub my fingers together in the water to disperse it, because it clumps up otherwise.

Hello again I finished the first 4 days of prazi, do I need to run carbon for the next 3 days before the next round or should a 80/100 percent water change be fine? 

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Never run carbon again unless we tell you to :) it’s almost useless in a healthy tank, and the big water change is definitely sufficient to remove the prazi. I’m glad it shipped to you so quickly!

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