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Hi guys :) it’s been a while! I hope everyone is doing well and is safe :heart! I could use some advice with my one goldfish please. 
 

pH: 7.6

Ammonia: 0ppm

Nitrite: 0ppm

Nitrate 0ppm

 

last water change was yesterday 80%. 55 gallons 2 goldfish and 2 plecos (bushy nose and blue phantom). I currently have .1% salt in the tank and a double dose of liquid PraziPro.
 

They both got salt baths 2 weeks ago and a round of prazi. My one goldfish is getting red patches on her body. I’m thinking it’s Flukes but I’m not sure anymore. She was bottom sitting a couple days ago and moping a bit. Today she was pretty active. Both are eating like champs still and I don’t see any other signs of discomfort. I’m not sure how well it can be seen in the pictures, I did my best with those. I’m also not sure why they are upside down and sideways. They aren’t like that in my phone. I apologize! Thank you :) 

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Ugh, you know better dude, fill out my favorite form 😁 The history is especially important so I know what you’ve treated with in the past six months or so and when the last livestock or plant purchase was, as that helps me narrow down what could be going on.

 

Test Results for the Following:

* Ammonia Level(Tank)

* Nitrite Level(Tank)

* Nitrate level(Tank)

* Ammonia Level(Tap)

* Nitrite Level(Tap)

* Nitrate level(Tap)

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 

* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

Other Required Info:

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?

* Water temperature?

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?

* How often do you change the water and how much?

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?

* How many fish in the tank and their size?

* What kind of water additives or conditioners?

* What do you feed your fish and how often?

* Any new fish added to the tank?

* Any medications added to the tank?

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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18 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

Ugh, you know better dude, fill out my favorite form 😁 The history is especially important so I know what you’ve treated with in the past six months or so and when the last livestock or plant purchase was, as that helps me narrow down what could be going on.

 

Test Results for the Following:

* Ammonia Level(Tank) 0ppm

* Nitrite Level(Tank) 0ppm

* Nitrate level(Tank) 0ppm

* Ammonia Level(Tap) 0ppm

* Nitrite Level(Tap) 0ppm

* Nitrate level(Tap) 0ppm

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.6

* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.2

Other Required Info:

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API Master Test Kit Drops

* Water temperature? 73

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 55 gallons 10 years 

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Aqua clear 70 (300GPH) and SUNSUN canister filter (525GPH) 

* How often do you change the water and how much? Weekly 50-80%

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? The other day 80ish%

* How many fish in the tank and their size? 1 common 6-7 inches.... 1 oranda about 2 inches, 1 BN Pleco about 3-4 inches, 1 Blue Phantom Pleco about 1.5 inches 

* What kind of water additives or conditioners?
baking soda and prime 

* What do you feed your fish and how often?
NLS 1mm Thera A, omega one goldfish, hikari lion head, Saki hikari (purple) they get fed 1-2 times a day 

* Any new fish added to the tank?
blue oranda and blue phantom Pleco, but I figured it was flukes so after quarantine I did a couple rounds of prazi and that seemed to help a little but the red blotches never fully went away. I’m wondering if it isn’t just flukes.

* Any medications added to the tank?

prazipro double doses and .1% salt 

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

prazi pro two weeks ago one round after a salt dip, the other day .1% salt and prazi pro  

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Red blotches on body and under fin

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Bottom sitting occasionally 

I’m sorry, my bad! :teehee 

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Okay, so the oranda and plec are new within the past month or two?  I’m going to suggest a topical treatment I’ve had really good luck with.  If you can run Paraguard in there for 10-14 days that would be great, and if the bottom sitting continues we will do a furan-2 treatment as they may have a secondary bacterial infection, but I highly suspect something parasitic. Paraguard should be gentle enough on the catfish to be safe :)

 

Run it in the main tank with the lights off, keep the water warmer, closer to 78 degrees, and if they’re tolerating that you can go warmer, just keep PLENTY of oxygen exchange going.  And you may consider just keeping that tank a little warmer as it will kick up the immune activity of the fish and be more comfortable for the pleco and ancistrus. Maybe more like 75-76 degrees once treatment is done?

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34 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

Okay, so the oranda and plec are new within the past month or two?  I’m going to suggest a topical treatment I’ve had really good luck with.  If you can run Paraguard in there for 10-14 days that would be great, and if the bottom sitting continues we will do a furan-2 treatment as they may have a secondary bacterial infection, but I highly suspect something parasitic. Paraguard should be gentle enough on the catfish to be safe :)

 

Run it in the main tank with the lights off, keep the water warmer, closer to 78 degrees, and if they’re tolerating that you can go warmer, just keep PLENTY of oxygen exchange going.  And you may consider just keeping that tank a little warmer as it will kick up the immune activity of the fish and be more comfortable for the pleco and ancistrus. Maybe more like 75-76 degrees once treatment is done?

Yes, the Pleco and oranda are new. I added the oranda in around December and the Pleco I think around January. Okay, sounds good! Thank you! Should I remove all the salt and prazi in there before treating I’m assuming? Best to do a 90% back to back WC? I’ll also turn on my UV sterilizer for the time being too until I can get the Paraguard to help remove the prazi too. The seachem brand right? 
 

I just ordered it and it won’t be here until the 17th

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My tank is at 78 and she seems to be sucking air at the top. I have two air pumps connected to my tank, (Fluval Q2 and Q1)so there should be plenty of oxygen. Should I lower the temp? 
 

 

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Did she not pipe or gasp at a lower temp? Try 76 and see if that is more comfortable for her.

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24 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

Did she not pipe or gasp at a lower temp? Try 76 and see if that is more comfortable for her.

Not that often. Right now it’s 77 and she seems okay. I’m just waiting for the medicine now. 

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So a new issue is starting. What I thought was a female oranda is a boy! He will not stop chasing her trying to breed :doh11: I woke up one morning and BOOM his pectorals were covered in breeding tubercles 😂 also, my blue phantom Pleco passed away. I’m not sure why, my bushy nose is fine. Today was the first day of medicine. It got a little delayed. Hopefully it works! :)

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Keep us posted as to how treatment works.  Maybe the bristlenose was just more hardy?  If he was bred captive but the blue was wild caught?  The latter would adapt much less well to tank conditions, and that’s a likely outcome given how readily ancistrus breed

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On 5/21/2020 at 9:13 PM, Arctic Mama said:

Keep us posted as to how treatment works.  Maybe the bristlenose was just more hardy?  If he was bred captive but the blue was wild caught?  The latter would adapt much less well to tank conditions, and that’s a likely outcome given how readily ancistrus breed

I definitely will! :) he might have been wild caught I’m not sure. When I get another I’ll ask the distributor. My BN definitely was captive bred. Right in my tank! 😂 She has to be at least 2-4 years old now. The BP Pleco I had for probably about 4-6 months before he passed. He was just starting to not hide as much too :(  

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So far I’m not really seeing any kind of improvements and she’s still bottom sitting intermittently :(

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Okay next step is a round of metronidazole, 10 days but let me know if things don’t look better by day 4 and we can adjust as needed.

Any gasping or heavy breathing, poor color, or ulcers at all?

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On 6/2/2020 at 8:04 AM, Arctic Mama said:

Okay next step is a round of metronidazole, 10 days but let me know if things don’t look better by day 4 and we can adjust as needed.

Any gasping or heavy breathing, poor color, or ulcers at all?

Hi! I’m so sorry for touch a delayed response. I was waiting for the meds in the mail and I have a new job now. It’s been hectic here haha. Today is day 5 I believe (dosing every other day) and she’s still bottom sitting. No ulcers, just the red spots still and bottom sitting. 

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So catch me up; you did how long of Paraguard and how long of metro?

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7 hours ago, Arctic Mama said:

So catch me up; you did how long of Paraguard and how long of metro?

i believe we did about 8 days of the Paraguard and i believe today was day 6 of metro. I forgot to log the first day. :doh11:

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Continue the metro for at least ten days.... it’s rough, but the only other antiparasitic I can think of that might change the spots is a salt dip followed by formalin.  But that is so toxic I hesitate to recommend it, especially if the behavior is otherwise normal.  

I’m honestly perplexed as to what could cause the red lesions from what you’ve described. Especially if they’re not raised or looking raw I’d be really tempted to just leave it alone if the current treatment doesn’t help.  Causing more problems than you solve with a heavier hitting antiparasitic seems over the top to me.

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1 minute ago, Arctic Mama said:

Continue the metro for at least ten days.... it’s rough, but the only other antiparasitic I can think of that might change the spots is a salt dip followed by formalin.  But that is so toxic I hesitate to recommend it, especially if the behavior is otherwise normal.  

I’m honestly perplexed as to what could cause the red lesions from what you’ve described. Especially if they’re not raised or looking raw I’d be really tempted to just leave it alone if the current treatment doesn’t help.  Causing more problems than you solve with a heavier hitting antiparasitic seems over the top to me.

She didn’t handle the first salt dip I did too well when I treated with them prazipro before the Paragaurd and metro. Other than bottom sitting from time to time she appears to be acting normal. My baby oranda like to sit in the plants but they both come out almost immediately for food. I’m so confused as to what they are as well. From what I see in person it looks like fluke irritation form what I’ve seen in the past. 

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If your fluke treatment didn’t work but you suspect something similar, Dimilin is a very low stakes and safe treatment for anchor worm, fish lice, and anything with an exoskeleton.  That wouldn’t hurt to try but it can he expensive if you don’t have it on hand.

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4 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

If your fluke treatment didn’t work but you suspect something similar, Dimilin is a very low stakes and safe treatment for anchor worm, fish lice, and anything with an exoskeleton.  That wouldn’t hurt to try but it can he expensive if you don’t have it on hand.

I can’t seem to find it online. All I found was one that treats 500 gallons per teaspoon for ponds. 
Dimilin-X Koi & Goldfish Treatment: Anchor Worm Fish Lice Flukes diflubenzuron https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IW8YT3A/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_bi95Eb6VJ0HCF

I’ll keep up with the metro and see how they do for the time being. Should I salt at .1% maybe? 

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That’s the stuff I have and have used :)

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And no, no salt.  You already tried that, right? I’m afraid we would just stimulate more slime coat and actually make treating harder.  

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1 hour ago, Arctic Mama said:

And no, no salt.  You already tried that, right? I’m afraid we would just stimulate more slime coat and actually make treating harder.  

Okay! Should I order that? I wouldn’t be sure how to dose it. I guess 1/10 of a teaspoon? Should I wait to see how the metro does over the next few days do you think? 

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I find it’s easier to just dilute it into a gallon of water and split that up into quarters or tenths, than try to measure such a small amount.

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On 6/15/2020 at 7:35 PM, Arctic Mama said:

I find it’s easier to just dilute it into a gallon of water and split that up into quarters or tenths, than try to measure such a small amount.

Okay! I’ll see how the rest of the metro treatment is and if needed I’ll get the dimillin :)

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