Regular Member Rylaan Posted July 22, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted July 22, 2019 Hello, all- I should've reached out earlier, but after seeing (yet another) symptom appear today I'm asking for some professional advice. Tank set up (when symptoms first started appearing maybe 1 year ago): - 20 gal with only 2 fancy goldfish females purchased from LFS (1 ryukin-owned for nearly 4 years, 1 oranda-owned for about 3 years). The body of each fish is 2-3 inches long. Bare bottom tank, moderately decorated with plastic decorations. Sits near a curtained window. LED light string, but only 50% of lights work. 1 HOB filter rated for 50 gal tank. - Tank had been set up/filtered in current location for 1.5 years and 2.5 years in prior location. - Performed 50% water changes every 7-9 days. After cleaning, I would immediately clean a 10 gal tank with 2 African Dwarf frogs, 2 nerite, and 1 mystery snail. (Used same equipment, water source, and water conditioner for the 10 gal tank. This one also set up/filtered in current location for 1.5 years. Animals in this tank appear to be unaffected by what's in the goldfish tank.) - Infrequently tested water parameters, but always reported within normal range (ammonia 0 ppm, nitrite 0 ppm, nitrate 20 to <5 ppm). Fed 2x/d with Hikari goldfish food, except on evenings when supplied with peas or some canned tuna (approx. 2x/week). Symptoms: - Tank had displayed a lot of brown algae; ryukin developed ulcer on back, looked to be scratching it by swimming along tank floor, but still active and eager to feed (she has habit of gulping air and floating on the surface...); oranda was lethargic and stayed on tank bottom, but still eager to feed. She developed both hazy-white regions and bloody streaks on tail fins where they came into contact with the tank bottom. Action: - Administered bacterial/fungal medication from Petco (can't remember brand...not API) until ran out. Seemed to help a little. Ryukin ulcer started to heal; oranda perked up a little. - Over a few months symptoms did not improve. Ryukin developed what looks to be white tumors on/around dorsal spine; oranda still lethargic-no change. Went through 1 bottle of bacterial/fungal medication from API, then later another bottle of the 1st medication. (Total of 3 dosing phases.) Current set up additions (made over 2 months ago): - Tested water parameters (ammonia 0 ppm, nitrite 0 ppm, nitrate <5 ppm after water change and got up to 10-20 range right before water change). - Added 2nd HOB filter (rated for 10 gal tank). Added nerite snail. - Ryukin developed a couple of black dots among the white tumors, skin healing? Today: - Ryukin developed blackish markings along gills, above caudal peduncle, and caudal tail (black smudge?). Still has white cellular growth with a few black dots on/around dorsal spine. -Oranda still lethargic, caudal fins in tact (no fraying), speckled/hazy-white areas where fins come into contact with tank when she rests, no bloody streaks on fin edges. Both fish are still eagerly eating. Any thoughts on what this could possibly be? Thank you, Rylaan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helper FishyMandy Posted July 23, 2019 Helper Share Posted July 23, 2019 Hi! So sorry for the late response, I see you have already answered quite a few of these questions but can I get you to fill this out? Test Results for the Following: Ammonia Level(Tank) Nitrite Level(Tank) Nitrate level(Tank) Ammonia Level(Tap) Nitrite Level(Tap) Nitrate level(Tap) Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) Other Required Info: Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? Water temperature? Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? How often do you change the water and how much? How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? How many fish in the tank and their size? What kind of water additives or conditioners? What do you feed your fish and how often? Any new fish added to the tank? Any medications added to the tank? List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Any photos or video will really help us too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Rylaan Posted July 27, 2019 Author Regular Member Share Posted July 27, 2019 Ammonia Level(Tank)- 0 Nitrite Level(Tank) - 0 Nitrate level(Tank)- 10-20 ppm right before water change Ammonia Level(Tap)- 0 Nitrite Level(Tap)- 0 Nitrate level(Tap)- <5 ppm Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) -n/a Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)- n/a Other Required Info: Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?- API freshwater, drops Water temperature?- Varies from ~72-80. Currently 80F Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?- 20 gal, >2.5 years What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?- one is Tetra brand 10 gal, other is Aqua Clear 50 gal How often do you change the water and how much?- weekly, 50% How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?- 7 days, 50% How many fish in the tank and their size?- 2, 2-3 in body What kind of water additives or conditioners?- Prime water conditioner (bottle is 4 years old, but I don't see expiration date on it) What do you feed your fish and how often?- 2x/day Any new fish added to the tank?- no Any medications added to the tank?- none this month List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.- can't remember name but for bacteria/fungal infections and administered whole bottle over 2-3 weeks or so; API Metafix I think administered whole bottle over 4 weeks maybe; then again medication I can't remember name but for bacteria/fungal infections and administered whole bottle over 2-3 weeks or so Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?- yes, cell discoloration/growth and "smudge" on one with small cloudy white patches on tail fin of other (see description in original post) Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?- staying at the bottom, lethargic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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