Fish Bottom Sitting Since Last Night :(

[Fish Of Gold]

• EDIT *Forgot to write description* Wishing Star (Wish) is my only fish that never has had any problems at all, but ever since last night Wish has been bottom sitting and swimming and zipping around the tank 2 times this morning, she wont swim to the front when he/she sees me as usual and wont eat. I was just telling everyone a few days ago after my goldfish Icicle died that my most healthy fish right now is Wish who has never been sick or injured etc, Now I think I just jinxed myself!!!!  
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  • * Ammonia Level(Tank) 0 In Tank
  • * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0 In Tank
  • * Nitrate level(Tank)  10 In Tank
  • * Ammonia Level(Tap) 0 Tap
  • * Nitrite Level(Tap) 0 Tap
  • * Nitrate level(Tap) 5.0 Tap
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8.4 In tank (usually never this high, usually at 7.8 to 8.0)
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)   7.4 Tap
  • Other Required Info:
    • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?  API Drops
    • * Water temperature?  72 F, No heater
    • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?  20 gallon long, Running since Fall/Autumn of 2015
    • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Aqua Clear 20 and an Aqua Clear 30
    • * How often do you change the water and how much? Change 50% or more once a week. 

• * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Wed Sep. 5th, 3 days ago, changed about 75%
• * How many fish in the tank and their size? Just 1, Wish has always lived alone in this tank. I haven't measured Wish in a long time, so about 3 inches maybe? 
• * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime
• * What do you feed your fish and how often? Give the brand, type of food (sinking/floating pellets, gel food, steamed vegetable, etc.), and how frequently you feed each. A mix of Omega One Goldfish Pellets, Southern Delight Goldfish Pellets, Elive Goldfish Color Granuals, and Thera A+, All are sinking pellets fed once a day. On Weekends I feed either Blood Worms or Brine Shrimp instead of pellets, occasionally some Cucumber slices or cooked peas a few times a month. 
• * Any new fish added to the tank? No, she has always lived alone.
• * Any medications added to the tank? No
• * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.  No meds in the main tank, just when I first got her/him almost 3 years ago, I believe just the usual Prazi & Salt in the quarantine tank. 
• * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? No
• * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Bottom sitting in the back corner of tank since last night and still there now not moving much. Twice this morning she/he swam fast from the tank corner to one side of tank to the other in fast turning jerky directions, then stopped near the water surface and had her top fin clamped down after raising and lowering her top fin several times (flashing?? but just not as fast?)  , then suddenly zipped back to the back corner to bottom sit again with clamped top fin. She isn't interested in eating and wont swim to the front like usual, when she usually practically tries to jump out of the top of the water at feeding times because she is so excited for pellets. *Edit to add* Wish's fins look pinkish today instead of white like usual. Wish's tail fin has 2 long reddish streaks too. 

 

Edited September 8, 2018 by Fish Of Gold

[Arctic Mama]

Looking at the history, start simple.  Can you do two rounds of prazi (four days on, three days off) and try switching the diet to just southern delight and peas for the duration?  Let’s elimjnage constipation and flukes and potential problems, okay?

[Fish Of Gold]

6 hours ago, Arctic Mama said:

Looking at the history, start simple.  Can you do two rounds of prazi (four days on, three days off) and try switching the diet to just southern delight and peas for the duration?  Let’s elimjnage constipation and flukes and potential problems, okay?

Alright, I'll do 2 rounds of Prazi and I'll only feed Wish the Southern Delight pellets & peas during that time. Thanks! I sure hope this works!! 

[koko]

Hows it going? 

[Fish Of Gold]

2 hours ago, koko said:

Hows it going? 

Wish seems partially better today. Wish still bottom sits, but not as much. Wish will come out of the corner for a short time like for 10 minutes or so, and still zips around and tries to rub on the airline tubes and filter intake tubes but not as much as before. I don't see any fin flashing now. I got Wish to eat the Southern Delight pellets and some peas for the last few days, so Wish is back to wanting to eat so that is good. Fins are less pink too but still red veining in tail but it is slowly fading back to white. Wish is also occasionally back to chasing the air stone bubbles and nibbling the algae off of her favorite big rock when she gets up from bottom sitting so she must be feeling more better but not quite 100% yet  

[Netta]

May I ask, what are Southern Delight pellets and what are they used for?

[koko]

1 hour ago, Fish Of Gold said:

Wish seems partially better today. Wish still bottom sits, but not as much. Wish will come out of the corner for a short time like for 10 minutes or so, and still zips around and tries to rub on the airline tubes and filter intake tubes but not as much as before. I don't see any fin flashing now. I got Wish to eat the Southern Delight pellets and some peas for the last few days, so Wish is back to wanting to eat so that is good. Fins are less pink too but still red veining in tail but it is slowly fading back to white. Wish is also occasionally back to chasing the air stone bubbles and nibbling the algae off of her favorite big rock when she gets up from bottom sitting so she must be feeling more better but not quite 100% yet  

I like hearing that.  

[mjfromga]

1 hour ago, Netta said:

May I ask, what are Southern Delight pellets and what are they used for?

They're fish food. They're used for feeding fish lol

[Netta]

Hahahahahahah  I thought maybe they were special pellets with certain medicinal properties LOL!

[Fish Of Gold]

1 hour ago, Netta said:

Hahahahahahah  I thought maybe they were special pellets with certain medicinal properties LOL!

LOL! Nope, they are just fish food pellets that my fish love. 

[Netta]

I never heard of that brand.  Looks like quality pellets.  Thanks 

[mjfromga]

24 minutes ago, Netta said:

I never heard of that brand.  Looks like quality pellets.  Thanks 

I've never tried them. They do look pretty good. I mix pellets for my goldfish. They seem to really like it.

This is a mixture of Azoo Goldfish, Azoo carnivore stick, Ocean Nutrition Formula One, Black water Creek MAX, Kens Krill pellets, with a tiny bit of Cobalt Spirulina, Omega One Cichlid, and Tetra BABY Shrimp for added flavor. 

[Netta]

Wow that almost looks like a meal I could eat!  Gourmet all the way!  Spoiled little fishies.  Never heard of mixing food like that.  

[mjfromga]

1 hour ago, Netta said:

Wow that almost looks like a meal I could eat!  Gourmet all the way!  Spoiled little fishies.  Never heard of mixing food like that.  

They live outside and so they have all the algae and veggie matter that they normally would be able to eat so the pellets are mostly carnivore based. Though if they were indoor, I would add more veggie based pellets.

And despite me feeding them these, their poops are always a dark green color because they eat way more algae than they do pellet food. I don't feed a lot of pellet food. I also feed Repashy sometimes.

Some of the pellets float, others sink. My two smelly Comets have bigger mouths and are bigger and faster than my Ryukins. They get most of the floating food and the Ryukins get the sinking food. Those big sticks only the Comets can eat period. 

All my fish are Tosai by the way, got them as tiny babies last November. None are true adults yet. 

[koko]

12 hours ago, Netta said:

Wow that almost looks like a meal I could eat!  Gourmet all the way!  Spoiled little fishies.  Never heard of mixing food like that.  

I would love to see that  

[Netta]

15 hours ago, mjfromga said:

They live outside and so they have all the algae and veggie matter that they normally would be able to eat so the pellets are mostly carnivore based. Though if they were indoor, I would add more veggie based pellets.

And despite me feeding them these, their poops are always a dark green color because they eat way more algae than they do pellet food. I don't feed a lot of pellet food. I also feed Repashy sometimes.

Some of the pellets float, others sink. My two smelly Comets have bigger mouths and are bigger and faster than my Ryukins. They get most of the floating food and the Ryukins get the sinking food. Those big sticks only the Comets can eat period. 

All my fish are Tosai by the way, got them as tiny babies last November. None are true adults yet. 

It's great to hear about the different feeding methods.  Thanks!

[DawnMichele]

20 hours ago, Netta said:

I never heard of that brand.  Looks like quality pellets.  Thanks 

Hi Netta. It is a GREAT food!!! I know one of the guys who owns the company.

[Netta]

I'm scared to fed pellets cause they can cause bloatiness and constipation.  Do you need to soak them?

[koko]

1 hour ago, Netta said:

I'm scared to fed pellets cause they can cause bloatiness and constipation.  Do you need to soak them?

I been feeding mine pellets for two years haven't seen the problem at all. But I also make sure they get Duckweed a few times a year.  

[mjfromga]

2 hours ago, Netta said:

I'm scared to fed pellets cause they can cause bloatiness and constipation.  Do you need to soak them?

I've never had this problem either. I don't feed exclusively pellets and my fish live outside so it's different, but I've never had this issue. Soaking them doesn't help IMO. It just leaches important water soluble vitamins and minerals before the fish can get them.

[Netta]

Okay.  Maybe my fish had a hard time cause of the internal parasites then.   Once they get better, I'll choose a good pellet and combine with the rephasy and frozen live food I feed.  They've been on the Metromed for 5 day.  They're better, but the white poop is still there some.  

[shakaho]

The symptoms you describe can indicate an intestinal hexamita infection.  You can treat this by feeding epsom salt.  This link describes how to get the epsom salt into pellets, but if you feed gel food, you can simply put it in the water you use to prepare the food.

This treatment will not harm the fish, even if it doesn't correct the problem.

[Netta]

Hi Sharon nice to meet you.    I used this Epsom salt formula in the fishies food.  I fed it to them for 5 days.  It did purge them a lot, but I still see the white stringy poo at times and normal movements as well.  I have an open thread on this issue too.

Should I still be seeing symptoms at the stage?  I've done the Epsom salt and am now on day 6 with the Metroplex food.  I planned to feed them that for two weeks.  Is it anything else I can do?

Also, what are the side effects of Metroplex?  My fishies colors seem a tad bit duller to me. 

 Thanks 

[Fish Of Gold]

LOL, My thread has been hijacked HA HA! But anyway to get back on topic, Wishing Star seems to be back to normal! Wish is swimming around just fine now and is back to eating well as usual, fins look white again, plus no more bottom sitting!!! I appreciate your help very much! 

[Netta]

Uh oh!!!!!  Sorry, my question started it!

Glad your fish 🐟 s better😊