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And further, I know I have a lot of it. Do I need to remove my fish, completely stir my substrate and then do a 80-90% water change?

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If you must have substrate, it should be no more than a half inch deep.  Sand works best since goldfish came from ponds and lakes that have sand/mud bottoms.  Since sand packs in the bottom of the tank it does not collect as much crud as gravel or pebbles.

You can easily siphon off the mulm, which is decomposing organic material, sitting on the top of the sand.  

I don't know why you want to stir the substrate.  I'm just guessing here, but if you did this:  "Do I need to remove my fish, completely stir my substrate and then do a 80-90% water change?" every day, it would take months to clean the substrate.  To clean a deep substrate you have to take it all out and wash it in several buckets of water.  

I haven't run across anyone before who wanted to grow aquatic plants in the fish tank of an aquaponics system.  Terrestrial plants do a much better job of cleaning water than aquatic plants. 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Itsthek said:

So I was reading up on high nitrates and low pH and came across this: "A high Bio-Load that often produces large amounts of organic mulm and decomposition in an aquarium (or pond) gravel or in filters is often a common cause of persistent nitrate problems.
Another clue to this is a pH that tends to drop quickly, often even with buffers added (assuming a higher new water pH); the breakdown of organic mulm or similar will lower pH while increasing nitrates.
Pockets of decomposing organics are often found in areas of deep fine sand, under rocks or other décor, or in large filters (especially canister filters)."http://www.aquarium-pond-answers.com/2007/07/aquarium-nitrates.html?m=1

This leads me to question: what the author refers to as "mulm" is what I was calling "soil". I was thinking of it as a positive thing. Is this the opposite of the case? Would disrupting this mulm cause the sudden drop in pH?

Thats what Sharon was trying to say. Also one reason most goldfish keepers keep there tanks almost or bear bottom. To much gunk in the gravel will cause to many issues since goldfish are very dirty fish. 

so yes to your question. 

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Understood on all counts. I only say "stir" because disturbing the substrate would release the particles into a more even concentration, so that when I remove the water I'd be removing a greater portion of organic matter than if I were to leave all the organic matter settled at the bottom.

 

My idea in this setup was to create a (nearly) self-sustaining ecosystem. Knowing goldfish produce extra waste, I decided to use aquaponics as a way to take advantage of that, bringing the aquarium a little closer to a balanced ecosystem.

In the 2-3 months between when my tank finished cycling and whenI added my fish, I populated my tank with inverts (ghost shrimp and apple snails) I did zero water changes at this time, adding one HiKari small sinking pellets per shrimp. At this time I added the swords and anubias. My tank populated with algae and detritus worms, and I was thrilled to see the first macroscopic natural ecosystem succession. 

It's from this populating of microbes and nematodes that I credit my fish's health in a high nitrate environment, because there are predators of pathogens, and a full food chain keeping each other's populations in check.

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I'm running an undergravel filter as a way to compensate for a deeper substrate, keeping water flowing and aerated. I'm going to run two grow bins above my aquarium in lieu of a lid. I've split the current from the pond pump once, and I'll do it again, so half the water goes directly back into the aquarium and one quarter goes in each planter. I have clay aquaponic "pebble" nutritive substrate. My obstacle right now is building the supports for the grow bins and calculating how much they'll weigh. I've got overflow valves on each bin, but I'm going to be primarily relying on a bell siphon like was mentioned earlier. 

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this morning, it looks like some fungus is attacking Hershey's wen next to her gills. That, or she tore her cheeks trying to burrow into the Pleco's house (it's too small, but I've caught her trapped under there twice /facepalm)

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Update: the places seem to have shrunk, are coated in mucous coat, and her wen appears to be healing. 

Did 10g water change instead of 5.

pH= 6.5

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12 hours ago, Itsthek said:

Update: the places seem to have shrunk, are coated in mucous coat, and her wen appears to be healing. 

Did 10g water change instead of 5.

pH= 6.5

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5g water change

pH= 6.6

Nitrate= ~100ppm (maximum recorded three days ago= ~150ppm, yesterday ~115ppm)

 

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17 hours ago, Itsthek said:

5g water change

pH= 6.6

Nitrate= ~100ppm (maximum recorded three days ago= ~150ppm, yesterday ~115ppm)

 

I would do it some more :) 

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Yep! Daily water changes until I'm under 40ppm, and testing everyday to see progress/ pH stability. =)

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how is it going?

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Fish is healthy, she continued to injure her head trying to squeeze through a space too small, so I removed that ornament. Two days ago: pH =6.3, Nitrite=0, Nitrate=~100. Still doing water changes. I am seeing progress with water changes, but if I'm busy a day or two it slides back.

 

Fish's belly is growing scales, continued muscle growth and straightening of spine, her belly is turning orange, and the dark grey of her new scales is giving way to a warm coppery brown like her other scales.

 

Pleco seems to be growing as well.

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In 3 days, the two of them have eaten one of the larger anubias nana. I've been cleaning up bits of root and fiber. Tied the others to ornaments, since the fish keep digging up the anubias. I should note that I ran out of fresh veggies, so they're probably just hungry. I have more now, so that shouldn't be as much of an issue anymore.

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On February 1, 2018 at 9:45 AM, Itsthek said:

In 3 days, the two of them have eaten one of the larger anubias nana. I've been cleaning up bits of root and fiber. Tied the others to ornaments, since the fish keep digging up the anubias. I should note that I ran out of fresh veggies, so they're probably just hungry. I have more now, so that shouldn't be as much of an issue anymore.

If I was you I would try and find some duckweed. Its a great plant to let them nibble on all the time. I give my two fish it once a month for about 2 weeks :) 

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All signs of illness and parasites have dissipated, algae is growing vigorously again, goldfish has stopped "yawning", but still shows mild signs of oxygen stress (frequency of gulping at surface), steady 6.3 pH (tap water 7.0-7.2), 5gal water change every other day.

New food per day (divided into 3-4 feedings):

1 omega one Veggie Round, broken into quarters

6-8 omega one medium sinking goldfish pellets

1-3 omega one freeze-dried krill (because the goldfish pellets are high in meat content, I feed more krill on days I feed fewer pellets and vice versa)

1/2 mini broccoli floret (1 every other day, the "off days" between water changes. The broccoli makes a lot of detritus, so I have to thoroughly scoop the tank the next morning, and it's convenient to do while the water de-chlorinates.)

 

Her wen has begun to show growth, and she continues to display muscle development, and no signs of belly bloat, so I figure her caloric needs have increased.

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35 minutes ago, Itsthek said:

broccoli floret

Just to let you know that can cause gas in a fish or human :o 

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Thanks for letting me know! What's better to use for greens?

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16 minutes ago, Itsthek said:

Thanks for letting me know! What's better to use for greens?

Peas, blanched spinach and even cumbers :) 

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On 2/11/2018 at 2:13 PM, Itsthek said:

Thanks for letting me know! What's better to use for greens?

How is your fish? 

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3 minutes ago, koko said:

How is your fish? 

You’re really digging back here 😹

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35 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

You’re really digging back here 😹

I remember this and wondered if the OP managed to fix everything :P 

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