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Hi, I hope I have posted this in the right place. I have quite a large tank with a baby fantail and a baby black moor. It is mature - I have had them for about 7 months. 

When we first got the Black Moor we thought maybe he was blind or had sight problems because he often bumped into things and couldn't see food like the other fish could. He seemed to rely on smell to eat. He spends a lot of time on his own, in open water just floating with the current or just floating in the cave. Today he is face down against a plant pot. I have attached a video of him. I don't know if he is just a bit strange and lacks drive to actually swim - he eats fine and can swim when he wants to, but just seems very lethargic. Sometimes he tips upside down and floats like this before correcting himself. I've also seen him tip upside down when he gets excited about food. He looks healthy but in the video maybe someone will spot something? 

These are my water paramaters: 

Nitrate 25mg/l (The tank is due a water change) 

Nitrite 0mg/l

GH 18d

KH 15d

PH 8

Chlorine 0

 

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Welcome to Kokos and someone will help you soon.

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When you can please copy and fill it out :)

Please copy & paste fill the following form and fill it out to the best of your ability when requesting help for Goldfish Problems: 

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
      • * Water temperature?
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
      • * How often do you change the water and how much?
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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As of the present I can see he's got a swim bladder problem but I do need more information about this set up :) 

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1 hour ago, koko said:

When you can please copy and fill it out :)

Please copy & paste fill the following form and fill it out to the best of your ability when requesting help for Goldfish Problems: 

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank) Not sure as my test strip doesn’t show this 
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0
    • * Nitrate level(Tank) 25 mg/l 
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap) will test my tap levels ASAP when I get home 
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) ph 8, kh 15d, gh 18d, chloramines 0 
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? Tetra strips 
      • * Water temperature?21 degrees Celsius 
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 25 gallons, 7 months 
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Fluval u4
      • * How often do you change the water and how much? Weekly about 30% 
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • Changed 30% about 4 days ago
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • 2 baby fantails only about 4cm 
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • Just Fluval water primer
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • Daily, either pellets, sinking wafers, bloodworm or seaweed 
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • No 
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • No 
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • Previous aquarium salt when his tankmate had a ripped tail 
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • No 
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?
  • floating, lethargic 

 

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Sorry trying to fill it out on my iPhone was a nightmare!! I hope the replies make sense 

does he definitely have swim bladder? What should I do? Thank you for replying and helping me out 

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3 hours ago, mini.cheddars said:

Sorry trying to fill it out on my iPhone was a nightmare!! I hope the replies make sense 

does he definitely have swim bladder? What should I do? Thank you for replying and helping me out 

I know its very hard. You did good :thumbs:

Now so far looking at everything I can see part of your problem. Goldfish are very very dirty fish. Having an internal filter isn't good for them as it will get dirty faster than you can keep it clean. Plus all that sand and other stuff in the tank is making bad bacterial spots in the tank. I believe is causing an swim batter infection.

 

First thing I would like to see is a HOB filter these are filters that are hung on the back of the filter you will need to have one that goes 10x the amount of water in your tank. So you have a 25 gallon you will need a filter that goes 250 gallons per hour. With 2 fish in the 25 gallon tank I would be doing water changes twice a week. Goldfish need at least 20 gallons per fish to be healthy and happy.

Also I would highly suggest the test that does in in drops the strips aren't accurate at all. :( 

Plus we really do need the tap water readings too :) 

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