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Test Results for the Following:

* Ammonia Level(Tank) 0 - Both Tanks

* Nitrite Level(Tank) 0 - Both Tanks

* Nitrate level(Tank) <5 - Both Tanks

* Ammonia Level(Tap) 0

* Nitrite Level(Tap) 0

* Nitrate level(Tap) 0

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) pH = 7.8 - 8.0

* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) pH = 7.8

Other Required Info:

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?  API Drops

* Water temperature? 29 Gallon - 73 F / 75 Gallon - 75 F

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 29 Gallon - Since early June / 75 Gallon - Since mid July

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? 29 Gallon - Aqueon Quietflow 50 (250 GPH) and 30 (200 GPH) / 75 Gallon - 2x Aqueon Quietflow 75 (400 GPH each)

* How often do you change the water and how much? 40 - 50% every 4-5 days

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?  29 Gallon - 2 days ago, almost 100% / 75 Gallon - yesterday, about 40%

* How many fish in the tank and their size? 29 Gallon - 1 Fantail, 1 Black Moor, both about 1.5" / 75 Gallon - 1 Fantail (2"), 1 Lionhead (1.5")

* What kind of water additives or conditioners? Seachem Prime, API Stress Coat (occasionally), Seachem Flourish and Flourish Excel (every other week)

* What do you feed your fish and how often? Cobalt Aquatics Goldfish Flakes in the morning, fresh broccoli or spinach in the evening 

* Any new fish added to the tank? See below...

* Any medications added to the tank? Hikari PraziPro

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. See below...

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? The one fantail has had some scales that look a little rough.  Not pineconing, it appears to be from rough handling at the pet store. She has had them since we got her.

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?  Incessantly swimming against the glass.  Some flashing against the gravel.



Hello Koko's Community!


So, the 2 fish in question are currently in my 29 gallon tank: a calico fantail and a black moor, both juveniles.  They were both purchased at the same time (August 8th), but from two different stores.  My wife and I were planning on getting the black moor, when we noticed the fantail darting around her tank with a piece of gravel stuck in her mouth.  We mentioned it to the employee, who immediately took action.  However, it was really stuck, and it took her and another employee a good 15 minutes to finally get the gravel out (neither one seemed very experienced at the task).  When the employee mentioned that they would be moving her to sickbay, and ensured us that they had very humane euthanasia procedures if she didn't improve, we knew that we were probably the only chance that fish had at survival.  So... we brought her home, and quarantined the 2 together.


The fantail was obviously stressed (with good reason) and the next day I noticed her flashing off the substrate.  Some of her scales were a little roughed up, and I assume it was from being manhandled by the store employees.  However, once I started dosing with prazi, the flashing stopped and they both seemed very happy and normal.  I did a second round of prazi, then kept them in pristine water for a couple more weeks before moving them to my main tank (a 75 gallon with 2 other fish).  The parameters of the 2 tanks were identical, and everything seemed perfect... at first...


After a couple days, I noticed the fantail spending an unusual amount of time swimming along the side of the tank.  I ran out and grabbed API General Cure (metronidazole and praziquantel) and dosed according to the directions, and it seemed to do the trick.  Everyone was acting normal and getting along great!  Then, after the 4 days of dosing were done, I did a big water change and put some carbon in the filters.  3 days later, the fantail is rubbing the glass again.  I watched her for a couple hours and she wasn't stopping, and then she started bouncing herself off the substrate.  At this point, I did an almost 100% water change on the 29 gallon tank, scooped her out of the 75 and moved her over.  I put a dose of PraziPro in the tank for no real reason other than I already had it on hand, and it seemed to help before. 


The next day, the fantail is in the 29 gallon looking as normal as can be, and the black moor is now incessantly rubbing the glass in the 75.  The other 2 fish hadn't shown any signs of anything whatsoever, so I scooped up the black moor and moved her into the 29 gallon with the fantail, did a 40% water change on the 75 gallon and dosed with prazi, just in case.


So, that was yesterday, and today everyone looks happy and normal...  there are no other signs or symptoms whatsoever.  The 2 that I moved are rubbing the glass now and then, but only momentarily and not nearly as relentlessly as they were in the other tank.


Med History:

- 29 gallon was treated for ich with the previous occupants (who are now living in the 75).  Aquarium salt was used, but when it went from bad to worse, I abandoned the salt and used Marineland Ick Remedy for 6 days.

- I treated both tanks with 2 back-to-back rounds of PraziPro. 

- All 4 were in the 75 gallon when they got API General Cure: 2 doses, as per the instructions on the package.

- Both tanks currently have PraziPro in them.


Is it possible that they just didn't like the big tank and they're happier in the 29 gallon?  Maybe they didn't like their new roommates?  Did I catch a disease in the early stages, or am I just being paranoid?


Thanks in advance for any help!  I'm kinda new to fishkeeping, only a few months deep at this point.  But, that's a story for another thread...

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You should realize that all medications have side effects.  Prazi is one of the safest, and I recommend that you give the main tank two weeks of treatment with prazi.  New fish should always receive at least 4 weeks of quarantine.  

Overall, your maintenance program looks pretty good, but I have a few questions.  What do you have for substrate, and how deep is it?  Why do you use fertilizers?

Could you get a video next time you observe "rubbing" behavior?  Could you show us a whole tank picture?

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Hi, thanks for responding!


These two were quarantined for 5 weeks before I moved them to the main tank. They looked perfect before I moved them, but then started acting funny about a week or so afterwards.  It was shortly after I added carbon to remove the meds that the behavior started.


For substrate, I have CaribSea Super Naturals. It's the smallest size gravel I could find, averaging 1-2mm.  It's about an inch or so deep, other than a few spots where I hilled it to cover the roots of a few plants.  The plants, of course, are the reason why I use fertilizers.


The rubbing is not nearly as constant as it was prior to moving them out of the main tank, but it is still happening on occasion.  It was going on for hours, which was what made me take notice.  When I saw the calico bouncing herself off the gravel, I panicked and took action.


Should I assume that both tanks should continue Prazi for 2 weeks? 




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Some goldfish have trouble with fertilizers.  Why not just let your fish fertilize the plants.?

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You know, I hadn't considered that, but it makes perfect sense.  I did a big water change, replaced the carbon, and... added fertilizer....


They were never exposed to fertilizer during quarantine, and the other two have been, so those guys are probably used to it.  I thought it was the prazi that calmed them down, but it could totally be the lack of fertilizer. 


And, you're right... they do make a lot of "fertilizer" hahaha!


So, I guess my question now is:

How should I go about bringing them back to the main tank?  How long should I wait and what can I do to make the transition as smooth as possible?


Thank you so much!

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