Floaty listless fish

[georgelee92 32]

Test Results for the Following: * Ammonia Level(Tank) 0 * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0.25 (after water change. 24 hours later, it's 2-5ppm, so I do 80% water change these past few days) * Nitrate level(Tank) 10 * Ammonia Level(Tap) 0.25 * Nitrite Level(Tap) 0 * Nitrate level(Tap) 0 * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.4 * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.4 Other Required Info: * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? api master kit * Water temperature? 24C * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 75g and 2 months * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? 2 x AC70 and Fluval 306 * How often do you change the water and how much? Currently, everyday due to some cycling bump

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Pretty much everday or every other day 80%  * How many fish in the tank and their size? 5 goldfish about 1.5-2 inches * What kind of water additives or conditioners? prime * What do you feed your fish and how often? omega pellets small sinking * Any new fish added to the tank? 3 new fish * Any medications added to the tank? nope * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. Started to add salt a few days ago due to nitrite spike. Not much about 0.05% concentration. * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Also, I removed all my gravel about a week ago, which also contributed to nitrite spike * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc staying 3 inches from the surface and not moving for hours, keeps staying in the same spot. White stringy poop.

[georgelee92 32]

uh I know I should have quarantine and medicated them with prazi, but I didn't have an extra tank for it. I'm not sure what it could be as I'm changing the water everyday due to the nitrite bump from removing the gravel and adding 3 goldfish bio loads. I'm thinking bacterial or parasites? Should I raise the salt concentration? Should I treat my whole tank with prazi, will that affect my cycle?

 

Salt is at 0.1% concentration

goldfish = 3 inches from surface, staying in the same location and white poop.

Edited August 14, 2017 by georgelee92

[georgelee92 32]

I think it's Costia. I've quarantined him and added 0.3% salt. If he doesn't look better when I get back from work, I'll go buy Quick Cure. Should I be worried about my main tank?

Edited August 14, 2017 by georgelee92

[georgelee92 32]

I can't find AP quick cure or Jungle parasite clear. I don't think I can get my hands on Acriflavin.

 

What can I get that's at big al's canada or petsmart? Does Hikari Ich-X work? Prazipro?  https://www.bigalspets.com/ca/ 

[koko 14,339]

https://www.bigalspets.com/ca/hikari-prazipro.html?sku=330322

 

https://www.bigalspets.com/ca/fish/supplements-medications/hikari-metro-3-5-fl-oz.html

[georgelee92 32]

20 minutes ago, koko said:

https://www.bigalspets.com/ca/hikari-prazipro.html?sku=330322

 

https://www.bigalspets.com/ca/fish/supplements-medications/hikari-metro-3-5-fl-oz.html

Is Metro/Prazi affective against Costia? I seen anyone say that for treatments.

[koko 14,339]

22 hours ago, georgelee92 said:

Is Metro/Prazi affective against Costia? I seen anyone say that for treatments.

No if you think it is we can look for something different. I would like to see photos though  of the fish to make sure  

[georgelee92 32]

Okay I'll take pictures/video after work.

I went to get a 10g and quarantined him. He has no filter and a bubble tube.

Day 1: I treated him with 0.3% salt.

Day 2: - I removed the salt and added two doses of PraziPro (some people on the forum said not to use PraziPro with salt when they reached out to Hikari.)

Day 3: Today

Planning on following the Quarantine procedure by dnalex.

I actually think it might be gill flukes.

 

Symptoms:

-Breathing heavily (I think? He keeps opening his mouth every second)

-Every now and then some crazy rapid gill movements for a few seconds. Like he's trying to flush something out of his gills. Gill irritation.

-Lethargic

-Isolation

-2 Inches from the surfaces and has no problem swimming up or down

-Clear white poop super long. (Day 2 when 0.3% salt. Not sure if it's still like that)

 

How long does it take to kill the flukes? Is the api water readings correct if I add Prazi?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[georgelee92 32]

He's dead. About 3 days since he showed signs. I'm pretty upset. This lionhead was my first one. Can you guys help me figure out what caused him to die? 

I opened up his gills and it's a pale white. He has a ton of stuff attached to his face between his mouth and eyes.  Was definitely not this bad when I left for work this morning.

A bit of blood in his eyes. White crap all over his fins. Treated him with Prazi last night and he died 24 hours later.

I'm worried about my main tank as none of them have been quarantined. Should I just use the quarantine procedure on the main tank? Salt rounds then prazi?

 

 

 

 

[DawnMichele 6,045]

So sorry for your loss.

[koko 14,339]

Did you put this fish in your main tank with out a QT? 

[georgelee92 32]

1 hour ago, koko said:

Did you put this fish in your main tank with out a QT? 

Yep, which is why I'm 100% sure what ever killed it will be in the main tank. I pulled him out into a QT tank after he got sick. I'm going to salt it and Prazi the main tank.

The other fish seem fine so far...

[koko 14,339]

3 minutes ago, georgelee92 said:

Yep, which is why I'm 100% sure what ever killed it will be in the main tank. I pulled him out into a QT tank after he got sick. I'm going to salt it and Prazi the main tank.

The other fish seem fine so far...

you have metro?

[georgelee92 32]

13 minutes ago, koko said:

you have metro?

No, but I can get some. Hikari Metro+ 3.5oz?  I've never used it before. 

[koko 14,339]

7 minutes ago, georgelee92 said:

No, but I can get some. Hikari Metro+ 3.5oz?  I've never used it before. 

yes  

[georgelee92 32]

Just now, koko said:

yes  

Do I treat the main tank with that? Won't that kill all my bb? Or do I wait for symptoms and treat in a 10g?

[koko 14,339]

23 minutes ago, georgelee92 said:

Do I treat the main tank with that? Won't that kill all my bb? Or do I wait for symptoms and treat in a 10g?

Nope Metro and Prazi will not hurt your cycle  

[georgelee92 32]

43 minutes ago, koko said:

Nope Metro and Prazi will not hurt your cycle  

Soo... what order should I treat my main tank? I have access to the following, Hikari PRaziPro, Metro+ and Ich-X. and Salt.

 

Or alternatively, I could take all 4 of them out into the 10 gallon and treat them there? Not sure if the parasites and other stuff would survive in the main tank without fish.

[koko 14,339]

3 hours ago, georgelee92 said:

Soo... what order should I treat my main tank? I have access to the following, Hikari PRaziPro, Metro+ and Ich-X. and Salt.

 

Or alternatively, I could take all 4 of them out into the 10 gallon and treat them there? Not sure if the parasites and other stuff would survive in the main tank without fish.

Prazi and Metro in your main tank.  

[georgelee92 32]

14 minutes ago, koko said:

Prazi and Metro in your main tank.  

Salt or no salt? There's a bunch of confusing threads about it... Hikari sayinig not to use it.

Also, does salt affect API master test kit in any way?

My nitrites are showing 0 after a few days of salting at 0.1% or is this a coincidence? 

Edited August 16, 2017 by georgelee92

[koko 14,339]

2 hours ago, georgelee92 said:

Salt or no salt? There's a bunch of confusing threads about it... Hikari sayinig not to use it.

I would go no salt for now  

2 hours ago, georgelee92 said:

Also, does salt affect API master test kit in any way?

Nope 

2 hours ago, georgelee92 said:

My nitrites are showing 0 after a few days of salting at 0.1% or is this a coincidence? 

Salt will help keep the nitrites safer for the fish but it will not go to 0 because of salt