goldfish Pebbles inner tumor I think

[Tohru1529 65]

I just went to check on my goldfishes and everyone fine but pebbles. It look like a inner tumor just like what Flounder had. He die from it,I don't want the same thing happen to her. She so young she only 3 year old. I really don't want to lose her too. I also send Flounder photo it look the same. She is a happy fish.

[Arctic Mama 3,627]

Is it that lump on the side?

[Tohru1529 65]

8 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

Is it that lump on the side?

Yes I try to get a better photo hold on

[mjfromga 1,784]

It's also a good idea to fill out the D/D form to the best of your ability. It's unlikely to have two fish die from internal tumors. They don't seem that common. Did you do a necropsy and confirm tumor on Flounder? I see a weird lump on the side, though its difficult to maintain what exactly the user speaks of. Is this a Shubunkin or a nymph calico fantail? I'm thinking Shubunkin since the rest are single tails too. 

[Tohru1529 65]

Here is Pebbles with the lump

[Tohru1529 65]

16 minutes ago, mjfromga said:

It's also a good idea to fill out the D/D form to the best of your ability. It's unlikely to have two fish die from internal tumors. They don't seem that common. Did you do a necropsy and confirm tumor on Flounder? I see a weird lump on the side, though its difficult to maintain what exactly the user speaks of. Is this a Shubunkin or a nymph calico fantail? I'm thinking Shubunkin since the rest are single tails too. 

I did not do a necropsy someone told me its a tumor there nothing can do. I know about the form let me go fill it out I get back to you.

Edited May 9, 2017 by Tohru1529
fix it

[Tohru1529 65]

* Ammonia Level(Tank) none

• * Nitrite Level(Tank)0
• * Nitrate level(Tank)20
• * Ammonia Level(Tap)none
• * Nitrite Level(Tap)0
• * Nitrate level(Tap)20
• * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.4
• * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.4
• Other Required Info:
  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? test-kit
  • * Water temperature? 70
  • * Tank size (how many 10gals.) and how long has it been running?  72 bow tank gallon tank 9year
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? 20 gallon
  • * How often do you change the water and how much?2 times week

• * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 1 week ago
• * How many fish in the tank and their size?4
• * What kind of water additives or conditioners?prim
• * What do you feed your fish and how often? sinking pellets 2 time a day 1 in the morning and 1 at night 
• * Any new fish added to the tank?no
• * Any medications added to the tank?no
• * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.none
• * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?no
• * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? no

Edited May 9, 2017 by Tohru1529

[Tohru1529 65]

Pebbles is a Shubunkin Goldfish she is 3 year old she still young and still alive. I just don't want to lose her. It was heart broken when I lose flounder with the same problem he was 2 when he got it. Here pebbles when she was a baby.

Edited May 9, 2017 by Tohru1529

[shakaho 6,312]

6 hours ago, Tohru1529 said:

* Ammonia Level(Tank) none

• * Nitrite Level(Tank)0
• * Nitrate level(Tank)20
• * Ammonia Level(Tap)none
• * Nitrite Level(Tap)0
• * Nitrate level(Tap)20
• * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.4
• * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.4
• Other Required Info:
  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? test-kit  Please answer this question.
  • * Water temperature? 70
  • * Tank size (how many 10gals.) and how long has it been running?  72 bow tank gallon tank 9year
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? 20 gallon  Please explain.  Is this the volume of the filfer?  What type of filter is this?
  • * How often do you change the water and how much?2 times week   What volume of water do you change?

• * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 1 week ago
• * How many fish in the tank and their size? 4  Please estimate their length (tail not included)
• * What kind of water additives or conditioners? prim
• * What do you feed your fish and how often? sinking pellets 2 time a day 1 in the morning and 1 at night 
• * Any new fish added to the tank?no
• * Any medications added to the tank?no
• * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.none
• * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?no
• * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? no

Thank you for filling out the form. You left out some really important information which I have indicated above. Please answer these questions.

The lump could come from an internal abscess as well as from a tumor.  I wonder if a veterinarian could distinguish between these without killing the fish.

I have multiple fish with internal tumors.  They display no distress about this condition. An aquatic animal veterinarian, a specialist  in viral disease, told me that he had never found viral tumors in fish, (the only way one would have contagious tumors).  The affected fish live in different ponds, so contagion seems unlikely.  

Five years ago, multiple complaints from residents about "bad" water got the state to test the water in our city,  We have unacceptable levels of TTHM (total trihalomethanes), and these have risen with time, although the water company tells us every quarter that they are working to reduce these and they won't hurt us anyway.  THMs are known  carcinogens.  

Get your water tested by a lab recommended by the state, not one of those companies that want to sell you an expensive filtration system.  If you have organic contaminants suspected as carcinogens, put activated carbon in your filter(s) and change it regularly.

[mjfromga 1,784]

If she does have an internal tumor, there's nothing that you can really do. If its an abscess, there's also little that can be done. Abscesses generally need to be drained before they will respond to antibiotics and for most people, this isn't practical in a fish. Hopefully it's a tumor and she will be able to live with it. 

[Tohru1529 65]

2 hours ago, shakaho said:

Thank you for filling out the form. You left out some really important information which I have indicated above. Please answer these questions.

The lump could come from an internal abscess as well as from a tumor.  I wonder if a veterinarian could distinguish between these without killing the fish.

I have multiple fish with internal tumors.  They display no distress about this condition. An aquatic animal veterinarian, a specialist  in viral disease, told me that he had never found viral tumors in fish, (the only way one would have contagious tumors).  The affected fish live in different ponds, so contagion seems unlikely.  

Five years ago, multiple complaints from residents about "bad" water got the state to test the water in our city,  We have unacceptable levels of TTHM (total trihalomethanes), and these have risen with time, although the water company tells us every quarter that they are working to reduce these and they won't hurt us anyway.  THMs are known  carcinogens.  

Get your water tested by a lab recommended by the state, not one of those companies that want to sell you an expensive filtration system.  If you have organic contaminants suspected as carcinogens, put activated carbon in your filter(s) and change it regularly.

my bad I must been so tired I fix it

[Tohru1529 65]

* Ammonia Level(Tank) none

• * Nitrite Level(Tank)0
• * Nitrate level(Tank)20
• * Ammonia Level(Tap)none
• * Nitrite Level(Tap)0
• * Nitrate level(Tap)20
• * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.4
• * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.4
• Other Required Info:
  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? Tetra® 6 N 1 Aquarium Water Test Stips
  • * Water temperature? 70
  • * Tank size (how many 10gals.) and how long has it been running?  72 bow tank gallon tank 9year
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)Aqua Clear 110(500) Filter W/ Media
  • * How often do you change the water and how much?2 times week  50% water change

• * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 1 week ago
• * How many fish in the tank and their size? 4 goldfish 8inch, 4inch, 3inch, 2inch
• * What kind of water additives or conditioners? prim
• * What do you feed your fish and how often? sinking pellets 2 time a day 1 in the morning and 1 at night 
• * Any new fish added to the tank?no
• * Any medications added to the tank?no
• * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.none
• * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?no
• * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? no

[Tohru1529 65]

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[Tohru1529 65]

2 hours ago, mjfromga said:

If she does have an internal tumor, there's nothing that you can really do. If its an abscess, there's also little that can be done. Abscesses generally need to be drained before they will respond to antibiotics and for most people, this isn't practical in a fish. Hopefully it's a tumor and she will be able to live with it. 

I have a video of her being her happy self

[Tohru1529 65]

 

[shakaho 6,312]

To me, in the video it looks more like a subcutaneous abscess/cyst than a tumor.  You might try removing her to a separate container and treating with 0.3% salt.  

[Tohru1529 65]

36 minutes ago, shakaho said:

To me, in the video it looks more like a subcutaneous abscess/cyst than a tumor.  You might try removing her to a separate container and treating with 0.3% salt.  

ok I have a 10 gallon hospital I can used for her. Can I put carbon in my 20 gallon filter I have ? I will set her up later.

Edited May 9, 2017 by Tohru1529

[shakaho 6,312]

Yes, you can.  Carbon has no effect on salt.  You might try gradually warming the tank to the upper 70s

[Tohru1529 65]

4 hours ago, shakaho said:

Yes, you can.  Carbon has no effect on salt.  You might try gradually warming the tank to the upper 70s

Thank I keep you updated

[Tohru1529 65]

Sharon how long should I do this treatment for pebbles?

[shakaho 6,312]

Watch and see if anything happens.  The "treatment" will not harm the fish, and it might help drain a subcutaneous cyst, if she has that.  You don't want this drainage to occur in the main tank.

 

[Tohru1529 65]

12 hours ago, shakaho said:

Watch and see if anything happens.  The "treatment" will not harm the fish, and it might help drain a subcutaneous cyst, if she has that.  You don't want this drainage to occur in the main tank.

 

ok she in the 10 gallon by her self. I keep an eye on her I took photos of her.

[Tohru1529 65]

Here she is in the 10 gallon tank

[Tohru1529 65]

More photos of Pebbles