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Hello, I just stayed at a families place last night only to come back to seeing my poor Black Oranda oddly positioned near the ground of the tank. Here are the water parameters:

pH: 6.8

Ammonia: 0 ppm

Nitrite: 0 ppm

Nitrate: 0 ppm

It was a also bit cold when I came back. So I plugged in a heater for their tank. The temperature was probably around high 50s- low 60s.

I set the temperature for 78 Fahrenheit.

What I feed:

Hikari Lionhead Pellet Food

NLS Sinking Pellets

Hikari Cichlid Gold (if I do feed these I make sure they are soaked because they're really hard and have a tendency to float)

Occasionally I will feed them bloodworms.

I'm really unsure what the problem is??? And my water parameters are really unusual... Are they supposed to be that low? Maybe he's just bloated? He hasn't shown much movement unless I gently hold him to inspect for any minuscule damages done to him, which there aren't.

The filters I have running is a sponge filter and an Aqua-Tech 30-60. I unplugged the Aqua-Tech so he wouldn't be pushed around.

This tank is a 30 gallon with 3 other small fancy goldfish. I know it is overstocked. I will soon be dividing them into seperate tanks. I do one 75% water change at the end of the week. Conditioner I use is Prime.

Please help, I hold this fish really dearly. He's one of my joys and prides of fish keeping!

Symptoms he's shown: Nothing but lie around in a curved weird position. He'll occasionally try to right himself.

Could it possibly be that I over fed when I left?

Thank you in advanced. If you have any questions please feel free to ask, or if you don't understand anything let me know so I may clarify. Thanks in advanced.

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Hi there!  I'm sorry your oranda isn't feeling well.  I am sure a moderator will be along to help you, but in the meantime, if you could please fill out the request for help form (copy and paste into this thread).  It'll give them a good start for the information that they need.

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Test Results for the Following:

* Ammonia Level(Tank): 0

* Nitrite Level(Tank): 0

* Nitrate level(Tank): 0

* Ammonia Level(Tap)

* Nitrite Level(Tap)

* Nitrate level(Tap)

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): pH 6.8

* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): pH 7

Other Required Info:

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API Freshwater Master Test Kit

* Water temperature? 76

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 30 Gallons, been running for about almost to a year now

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Aqua-Tech 30-60 and a Sponge Filter (brand unknown)

* How often do you change the water and how much? 75%-90% every Weekend.

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Last water change was last weekend. I will be doing one today as when I get back

* How many fish in the tank and their size? 3 Other Fancy Goldfish. About 2 of them are 3 in. (excluding tail) and the other is 2in.

* What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime, sometimes Aquarium Salt

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Would you please answer the rest of the questions below.

 

Also read our guidelines for healthy goldfish.

Test Results for the Following:
* Ammonia Level(Tank): 0
* Nitrite Level(Tank): 0
* Nitrate level(Tank): 0
* Ammonia Level(Tap)
* Nitrite Level(Tap)
* Nitrate level(Tap)
* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): pH 6.8
* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): pH 7
Other Required Info:
* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API Freshwater Master Test Kit
* Water temperature? 76
* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 30 Gallons, been running for about almost to a year now
* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Aqua-Tech 30-60 and a Sponge Filter (brand unknown)
* How often do you change the water and how much? 75%-90% every Weekend.
* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Last water change was last weekend. I will be doing one today as when I get back
* How many fish in the tank and their size? 3 Other Fancy Goldfish. About 2 of them are 3 in. (excluding tail) and the other is 2in.
* What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime, sometimes Aquarium Salt

  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?
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* What do you feed your fish and how often? NLS, Hikari Lionhead Pellets, Cichlid Gold Pellets, and Bloodworms. I switch between the 3 pellet foods everyday (just depending on what I feel like feeding) and they get occasional bloodworms here and there.

* Any new fish added to the tank? No

* Any medications added to the tank? No

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. He hasn't been treated for anything. No background of illnesses.

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? No

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? He stays at the bottom, in. Weird curved position, which are shown in the photos above. I've not been home all day so I will input more information if anything changes. Thank you all in advanced!

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That's not a good choice for dropsy. If you can acquire metronidazole and kanamycin (Metroplex/Kanaplex powders from seachem or even just General Cure from API) at your local fish place it's more likely to help. The c-shape is bad news and most fish who end up like that don't get better, but Maracyn II is NOT suitable for this - theoretically it could work but I've never seen it actually reverse dropsy even when other gram negative antibiotics work. Dosing an ineffective antibiotic is worse than not dosing at all, since it just contributes to antibiotic resistance in bacteria at best and causes side effects in the already sick fish at worst.

Could you retest your tank water for Nitrate? An established system would not be showing 0 nitrates unless you had just done a 100% water change, in which case we can't tell if something in the tank is causing the illness because you're essentially testing fresh tap water instead of tank water. Make sense?

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Does "Antibiotic II" refer to Angels Plus medicated food? If so, that's oxytetracyline.  If he will eat it, It might help.  Get some General Cure at the pet store go with this.  As Arctic Mama, said this fish may be too sick to recover

 

You need to remove the fish from the main tank to a hospital tank.  A plastic storage tote that holds 10 gallons of water works fine.  You don't want to treat the main tank with antibiotics.

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Yes. Angel Plus Antibiotic II is what I'm referring too. This really has me down now... Just this morning I found that his Dorsal fin had some decay(?) Heres a photo but it's really hard to see.

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He's eaten the Antibiotic II Angel Plus.

When I get home I'll check the water parameters again, and seperate him into a quarantine tank. What are there any additives I should be aware of adding into the tank? Besides conditioner?

Thank you guys. Really. This fish is so dear to me. So your responses mean so much.

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Ah! Got it, I assumed you were referring to a different medication. Sorry about that. In this case the oxy would be a good choice fed in small doses constantly throughout the day if he will eat. I agree that pairing some General Cure with it would be a good move too.

No other additives in the hospital tank, just keep the water warm (76-78 degrees) and clean.

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I've transferred him into a hospital tank with an airstone, heater set to 78 degrees and conditioned. I tried hand feeding him but he spit most of it out. I'm pretty sure he's eaten atleast some of it. Also, I filled the tank half full, will this harm the process?

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Now as I was inspecting him for anything else, his dorsal fin looks even more deteriorated. Is this the start of fun rot?! Ugh. I'm the worst fish owner!!! I don't even understand what I did wrong this time!

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