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Hello ~

 

I noticed a growth on the side of Miss Beatrice last night.  I can't get a close enough look to identify it...I don't think it's columnaris, ich or parasites.  It seems more to be a 'growth'.

 

Beatrice is swimming normally (she's a 'Fancy') and is eating.  Behaving normally, for the most part. 

 

I suspect that my little grandson 'helped' by feeding the other day....yesterday was the day I siphoned the bottom, changed about 25% of the water.  Tank bottom was dirty with uneaten food..... I also changed the filter media.

 

I've been using a little heater because our house get scold during the winter months and at night:  I've unplugged the heater since it's hot out now. 

Can someone tell me the ideal temperature range for her tank?  a friend had told me 80degrees for Fancy goldfish, but I thought this might be too warm?

 

I will change out some more of the tank today:  I figured another 25% to try to get up any leftovers I might have missed yesterday.  PH is a bit low at about 70, so will add some Seachem Regulator during the change.

 

Can someone advise me re: meds?  I have trouble finding antibiotics here, but have some Maracyn 11 on hand.  I didn't start bedcause I wanted advice first.

 

Anything else I should be doing?

 

Thanks!

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We need more information before we can help.  Please copy the form below and paste it in your next post.  Then answer the questions on the form.  You can get some advice on filling out the form here.

 

We want to see pictures of this condition.  To post pictures upload them to a host, like photobucket, then copy and paste into your post.  

 

Please copy & paste fill the following form and fill it out to the best of your ability when requesting help for Goldfish Problems:

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
      • * Water temperature?
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
      • * How often do you change the water and how much?
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

 

If you haven't done so yet, please read our guidelines for healthy goldfish.

Goldfish thrive at a wide range of temperatures -- much wider than we can survive.  Goldfish adapt to the temperature they experience, so no "ideal temperature" exists.  Like us, they have adapted to the natural daily cycle of temperature -- cooler at night and warmer during the day.   A heater may prove useful when treating a health problem,  but not for daily use.

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Hello..Bertha here.  I can't seem to find a way to edit/answer directly on your D&D Form, so am typing answers to it here:

Results taken this morning (8.21.16):

TANK:

Ammonia (Tank)  0.25

Nitrite (Tank) 0

Nitrate (Tank) 40

GH (Tank) 107.4

    *I do not usually bother with taking KH in the tank....using the Regulators affects the readings.

PH (Tank)  7.0

 

TAP:

Ammonia (tap)  0.25

Nitrite (tap) 20

Nitrate (tap) 20

GH (tap) 53.7

KH (tap) 89.5

 

 

Treated the tank this morning with:  2mls Prime, 2mls Stability, 1/2 tsp. Seachem Neutral Regulator, 2mls Replenish

 

Removed all decorations (except for substrate) and another 30% water change this morning (for about 50% in three days); replaced filter carbon two days ago.

 

Turned off heater two days ago....tank temp had been about 78 degrees.

Tank temperature now about 74-76 degrees.

 

10 gal tank...running with this fish about two years. (I realize that 10g is not ideal:  however, it is what I have and all I can afford at the moment).

 

Filter is Aqua tech (probably 10g, not sure)

 

Water changes done about once a week (usually) at 25%.  It had been longer because of vacation.

 

Last water change two days ago at about 20%-30% and this morning at about 30%

 

Only one fish in tank.  Hard to get accurate measurement , but I think about 1.5-2.0 inches nose to tail.

 

Food:  TetraFin Goldfish Crisps (occasionally) & Omega One Natural Protein Formula Goldfish flakes.

 

No new fish.

 

No medications to date:  I have Maracyn 11 but have not started it....waiting for advice.

 

Tank filter:  Matrix (which I've now removed because I found precipitate on the heater), carbon.

 

Conditioners:

Seachem's Prime

Seachem's Stability

Seachem's Replenish

Seachem's Neutral Regulator

Seachem's Alkaline Regulator

 

Tank decorations:  a bridge that is plenty big to swim through, plastic plants and marble/small 'river rock' substrate.  No sand or small gravel.

 

Symptoms: 

I thought there was a growth that appeared to be like a tumor, which is why I originally contacted you.  I couldn't see that growth today, or, if there, it was not as pronounced.  Today it appears as if there are several small 'bumps' instead.  these do not look 'cottony' (more like a 'pimple, I think).  I've taken a picture on my iPAD....not the greatest picture, but you can see these 'bumps'.  I have NO idea how to send you the picture, though!

 

Miss Beatrice is acting normally....swimming normally and eating.

 

I think that my little grandson (or another grandchild) 'helped' by feeding the fish without my knowledge.: when I began water change two days ago, I discovered the top of the Goldfish Crisps broken and a lot of the food missing. ....  although Miss Beatrice had been acting normally when I went to do routine water change two days ago I found a huge amount of old food under the substrate, and the filter media bag needed to be thrown away, rather than rinsed:  it was 'gunky'.  It was then that I saw the growth on her side....which I thought was a tumor.

 

If someone can identify what kind of 'Fancy' Miss Beatrice....I'd appreciate it.  We've never know,

 

And, yes....she is missing an eye.  I didn't realize that until I got her home from the pet store when we bought her...I remember questioning the odd look to one eye at the store & the clerk told me it was just the way she was colored!  didn't have my glasses with me at the store...the lack of the eye has never seemed to affect or bother her.

 

I will go to the pet store this afternoon to buy medications (providing they have in stock).  Please advise about meds/anything else I should be doing?

 

 

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I don't know if I posted the above information that was requested correctly????

Also, I don't know how to send a picture of Miss Beatrice?

 

I'm not very savvy with computer groups, so please inform me how I was supposed to do this, if I did it incorrectly?

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Hun I made it a thread on its own... For photos... Go to Photobucket.com and set up an account... Upload them there then just grab the URL they give you for the photo and paste it here :)

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OK...I'm hopelessly inept re: using computer and forums!  I'm the first to admit it!  I think that earlier today I posted as an answer to the thread we were on re: Beatrice sick fish .... I could not edit in my replies to your questionnaire, so I wrote the entire questionnaire with answers/comment new and sent it to 'reply'.

 

Obviously...this was incorrect. 

 

Can someone check into this for me, and advise re: my sick fish Miss Beatrice? 

 

I only have a couple of hours before I have to leave for the pet store, so am waiting to hear what I should buy for meds (if anything)?  I do not know how to get the picture I took of Miss Beatrice to you, either.  My granddaughter will be here a little later to help with that.

 

THANKS!  sorry to be such a dubbitz!~

 

Bertha

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Please copy & paste fill the following form and fill it out to the best of your ability when requesting help for Goldfish Problems:

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
      • * Water temperature?
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
      • * How often do you change the water and how much?
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

 

Bertha, just copy the above.  Then click in the box at the bottom of the page that says "Reply to this Topic" and paste.

 

Then go to the end of each question and fill in the answer.   Then post.

 

Just a tip:  when you have problems with something, tell about it on the thread rather than starting a new thread.  I've been checking this thread for 2 days for your response,  and never thought to look for another thread.  :D

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What a mess this thread has become.  I will wade through the information you provided to see if I can sort it out.

 

You have 0.25 ppm ammonia in your tap and tank.  That indicates that your tank has not fully cycled.  A cycled would oxidize 0.25 ppm ammonia instantly. It probably has something to do with throwing out the media and replacing the carbon.

 

 

TAP:

Nitrite (tap) 20

 

 

Is this a typo?   What pH do you read for your tank?

 

You have high nitrate in your tank.  You need to up the number of water changes and/or the amount of water changed to get the nitrate down.  If you have read the guidelines, you know we recommend a minimum of 50% a week, but you need to do more than that to correct a nitrate excess.  I see you have routinely changed 25% a week.  I'd like to see 25% a day until the nitrate gets down to 20 ppm.  At this point, I see no reason for medication.  When you went on vacation and didn't change any water, some bacteria built up to a level that allowed them to infect the fish skin resulting in the lesion you see.  These usually heal with clean water.

 

 

Treated the tank this morning with:  2mls Prime, 2mls Stability, 1/2 tsp. Seachem Neutral Regulator, 2mls Replenish

Removed all decorations (except for substrate) and another 30% water change this morning (for about 50% in three days); replaced filter carbon two days ago.

Turned off heater two days ago....tank temp had been about 78 degrees.

Tank temperature now about 74-76 degrees.

10 gal tank...running with this fish about two years. (I realize that 10g is not ideal:  however, it is what I have and all I can afford at the moment).

Filter is Aqua tech (probably 10g, not sure)

Water changes done about once a week (usually) at 25%.  It had been longer because of vacation.

Last water change two days ago at about 20%-30% and this morning at about 30%

Only one fish in tank.  Hard to get accurate measurement , but I think about 1.5-2.0 inches nose to tail.

Food:  TetraFin Goldfish Crisps (occasionally) & Omega One Natural Protein Formula Goldfish flakes.

No new fish.

No medications to date:  I have Maracyn 11 but have not started it....waiting for advice.

Tank filter:  Matrix (which I've now removed because I found precipitate on the heater), carbon.

Conditioners:

Seachem's Prime

Seachem's Stability

Seachem's Replenish

Seachem's Neutral Regulator

Seachem's Alkaline Regulator

Tank decorations:  a bridge that is plenty big to swim through, plastic plants and marble/small 'river rock' substrate.  No sand or small gravel.

Symptoms: 

I thought there was a growth that appeared to be like a tumor, which is why I originally contacted you.  I couldn't see that growth today, or, if there, it was not as pronounced.  Today it appears as if there are several small 'bumps' instead.  these do not look 'cottony' (more like a 'pimple, I think).  I've taken a picture on my iPAD....not the greatest picture, but you can see these 'bumps'.  I have NO idea how to send you the picture, though!

Miss Beatrice is acting normally....swimming normally and eating.

 

think that my little grandson (or another grandchild) 'helped' by feeding the fish without my knowledge.: when I began water change two days ago, I discovered the top of the Goldfish Crisps broken and a lot of the food missing. ....  although Miss Beatrice had been acting normally when I went to do routine water change two days ago I found a huge amount of old food under the substrate, and the filter media bag needed to be thrown away, rather than rinsed:  it was 'gunky'.  It was then that I saw the growth on her side....which I thought was a tumor.

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I replied to the email I received, but apparently that did not go through. 

 

Using the API Master Test kit, today's numbers are:

PH 7.0

Nitrate 40

Ammonia 0.50

GH 107.4-125.3

 

Because I use the Seachem Regulators (phosphate based system), I don't usually test the tank for KH.

 

I changed about 45-50% of the water and added:

2.5 ml Prime

about 1 ml-2 ml Stability

2 ml Replenish

1/4 teaspoon Seachem Alkaline Regulator

 

Miss Beatrice looks pretty well....unfortunately the light burned out in her tank, so I'm trying to see her using a flashlight!  From what I can see, she continues to improve.  As you say...it's the water.  I think water changes were not as frequent as I usually make them, when she was being 'fish sat'....and we already know about the overfeeding issue by my grandson. 

 

I still can't seem to load the pictures for you.  I'll try getting a better picture today and again try to send to you, but I'm having no luck with it!

 

I appreciate the advice given so far....it's a big help!

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If you still can't copy and paste this form, just quote (the far right button at the bottom) this post and answer the questions on the form.


 


Please copy & paste fill the following form and fill it out to the best of your ability when requesting help for Goldfish Problems:


  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)

    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)

    • * Nitrate level(Tank)

    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)

    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)

    • * Nitrate level(Tap)

    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?

      • * Water temperature?

      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?

      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?

      • * How often do you change the water and how much?



  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?

  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?

  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?

  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?

  • * Any new fish added to the tank?

  • * Any medications added to the tank?

  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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Hun I made it a thread on its own... For photos... Go to Photobucket.com and set up an account... Upload them there then just grab the URL they give you for the photo and paste it here :)

Yeah you need to host your photos for here :)

 

I replied to the email I received, but apparently that did not go through. 

 

Using the API Master Test kit, today's numbers are:

PH 7.0

Nitrate 40

Ammonia 0.50

GH 107.4-125.3

 

Because I use the Seachem Regulators (phosphate based system), I don't usually test the tank for KH.

 

I changed about 45-50% of the water and added:

2.5 ml Prime

about 1 ml-2 ml Stability

2 ml Replenish

1/4 teaspoon Seachem Alkaline Regulator

 

Miss Beatrice looks pretty well....unfortunately the light burned out in her tank, so I'm trying to see her using a flashlight!  From what I can see, she continues to improve.  As you say...it's the water.  I think water changes were not as frequent as I usually make them, when she was being 'fish sat'....and we already know about the overfeeding issue by my grandson. 

 

I still can't seem to load the pictures for you.  I'll try getting a better picture today and again try to send to you, but I'm having no luck with it!

 

I appreciate the advice given so far....it's a big help!

 

Also you cant reply directly to those emails they are just notices that some one has replied to you post :)

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