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Chris here.... The challenges continue.... Pull up a seat... It's a story...

On 7/14 via overnight delivery a little, tiny pearlscale arrived... OMG!!! Sooooo tiny.... I had a quarintine tub ready to go for the little one, prime, aquarium salt and small filter... I floated the travel bag for 30 min and then released the little one in to the tub...

Now for the drama.... Watching on and off the first 1 hr swimming and inspecting the new environment... About the 2 hr mark, Before I was leaving to run an errand... I checked on the little one and found him/her stuck to the filter intake... :yikes

I immediately pulled the plug!!! :crying: but the damage was severe... His side was beat up, pulled way, blood bruises... I thought for sure he was a gonner... I immediately treated the tub with API Melafix and more salt, and waited for the worst... I then jumped on line to find out what to do for such an injury... I found that this type of injury has happened to others as well... The next morning the wounds looked better... Just a large red circle and beat up scales on his side... Did a 100% WC and re-medicated the water.... He was swimming and eating well... All remained the same until 7/19 when the bubbles started to appear on his sides of his body near his tail.... Dropsy due to internal damage is what my research was telling me.... :ill

I started the following treatment: continued 100% WC, stopped aquarium salt and started Epsom salts, add metroplex to water and feeding Oxytetracycline twice a day...

A big black bruise appeared 4 days ago... My research tells me this is "healing "... The bruises are getting less and less but still very visible...

Today is the 10th day of the Oxytretracline... I am now unsure how to proceed... The bubbles are greatly reduced but there are few still there... Do I continue the same treatment for another 10 days or modify it???

Water perametters are: API master test kit. PH 8.2, ammonia less than .25, nitrite 0, nitrate 0...

Prime, Epsom salt... Tube is 2.5 gallons, Aqua-Tech 5-15 filter uncycled, filled with sponge and ceramic media...

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Pictures and video to follow...

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Chris, you have has such a hard time with tour babies! I'm so sorry for your difficulties. Your little pearlie is very cute and i wish you the best of luck in her recovery!

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Chris here.... Thank you for your kind words.... Whoever said "It's just a goldfish", should be shot!!! They are amazing little beings... I hope that my care giving skills grow very quickly... For I have been thru the test of fire.... :thud Edited by Chris1251
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Chris here... The Hindenburg today....

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Oh no! So cute. Looks like you're doing a good job so far. I am interested to hear what recommendations you get from he mods for further care. I have a pearlscale with a bubble but for no known reason.

I have to ask, where did you get him from?

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Chris here... The Hindenburg today....B3F212D0-1978-4050-86A3-21C18E848E3C_zps

Oh no! So cute. Looks like you're doing a good job so far. I am interested to hear what recommendations you get from he mods for further care. I have a pearlscale with a bubble but for no known reason.

I have to ask, where did you get him from?

Hi Butterfly.... Thanks for your kindness.... I think this little one was a grieving purchase... I was on line a couple of days after I lose my Ranchu to an unknown injury and resulting complications, he was gone very quickly.... :(

It was an eBay purchase from "lewnews" is the online business name.... He was on my door step the next day... I was amazed how little he was... But very very cute and very active.... So far he/she is one tough little fish.... My oldest son has give the name of the Hindenburg to this scrappy little pearlscale....

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I lost  my young Dragon Eye  to  an Aquaclear intake valve.  I  rigged it so it's no longer cone shaped at the  bottom.   

 

LewNews has never let me down.  Good communication and he wants to know if you're not happy with the purchase.

 

Good luck, Chris!   :thumbup2:

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Chris here... Kim, thanks for the heads up on the Aqua Clear intake... I have 2 AC 70's on my tank... I will rig up a similar cover like the one I did for the quarintine tub... In a few weeks I will be moving my remaining Ranchu to a 40g tank and be turning up the flow for the larger tank... I really really want these guys to thrive...

I have known too much loss lately so please accept my heart felt condolences on the loss of your Dragon Eye... :hug

So far this is one scrappie little pearlscale that Lewnews sent me... If I can help this little one survive and thrive I will be over the moon with joy...

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Chris here.... Here is the form... :)

Quarintine tub....

Test Results for the Following:

* Ammonia Level(Qt) 0

* Nitrite Level(Qt)0

* Nitrate level(0)

* Ammonia Level(Tap) .25

* Nitrite Level(Tap) 0

* Nitrate level(Tap) 0

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8.2

* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8.2

Other Required Info:

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API MTK

* Water temperature? 72

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 2.5 gallons

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Aqua Tech 5-15. Uncycled, new sponge and ceramic media

* How often do you change the water and how much? Daily

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Today

* How many fish in the tank and their size? 1 nose to start of tail about 3/4 inch.

* What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime, Epsom salt, Metroplex

* What do you feed your fish and how often? Morning and evening, Soilent green and Oxytetracycline

* Any new fish added to the tank? No

* Any medications added to the tank? Yes

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. After injury, aquarium salt, Melafix, prime... Day 4 After injury Epsom salt, metroplex, Oxytretracline 10 days as of yesterday the 27th.

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? At injury considerable scale damage blood and red bruises... 4 days after injury slight red bruises and large bubbles on body near tail area... Day 7 of treatment bubbles very diminished and black bruises appeared... Day Ten of treatment bruises diminishing and very few small bubbles are left... Picture and video are showing day 10's progress...

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? None.... Very active... Eating well and pooping lots!!! Poop is all kinds... Long and stringy, short and fat, orange, brown, sometimes clear... I also included some blood worms about every three days to add some protein for healing... One tough little tiny pearlscale :flex:

Do I change or modify treatment or do a proceed for another with the same for another 10 days??? :idont

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Chris here.... Updated photos of the Hindenburg's condition. :unsure: There is improvement on the appearance of the bubbles on the butt... Almost nonexistent... Bruises seem blacker and smaller... Continuing treatment and daily water changes... In one pic you can see the top of the circle scar that I'm assuming will always be there because the scales were sooooo damaged... :(

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Chris, you've already done a lot and it's difficult to sort out a treatment plan when so much has transpired. The fact is that pearlscales rarely bounce back from illness - I'd say they're the most delicate variety of goldfish (and I keep bubble eyes and celestials, among others!) and we haven't seen a lot of treatments work.

That said, I sent this along on the back end yesterday and hopefully Helen or Lisa can come on with better advice. Clean water and time is my interim recommendation, because you have already tossed so many meds at it. Epsom also wouldn't be amiss to continue, at 1/2 a teaspoon per ten gallons.

I hope your fish can pull through! It's possible, sometimes they surprise us and we have had some real miracle pearlscales on here. For encouragement look back on the first threads user Ree posted. Her pearlies had similar symptoms and were able to resolve with MUCH care. Good luck!

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Hi Chris.  How much oxy food are you feeding at each feeding?  What are the instructions as far as how much to feed and for how long?  

 

What does the poop look like?  

 

Have you contacted the seller at all for advice?

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Chris here.... Hi Lisa! He/she has been on Oxytretracline since July18, so as of today 12 days 1 pinch 3x a day.... Same with Epsom salt and metroplex in the water.... Daily WC's since the 14th when he/she arrived... Poops are all over the place... Short and fat, long and stingy brownish, orangish, colorless some times all 3 on the long strings... I did give him some blood worms and small bites of Soilent green 3 different times over the last 2 weeks so he/she got some protein and not get constipated....

The Oxytretracline instructions are to feed exclusively for 10 days but not quantity... :(. So I have been giving 3 pinches... AM, NooN, PM... He/she eats every bit of it!!! And comes back wanting more....

He/she is very active and gobbles up all the food very quickly...

I wasn't sure what the next step is so I was afraid to stop treatment and then have to do a restart....

No I haven't contacted the seller... But I could...

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Chris, you've already done a lot and it's difficult to sort out a treatment plan when so much has transpired. The fact is that pearlscales rarely bounce back from illness - I'd say they're the most delicate variety of goldfish (and I keep bubble eyes and celestials, among others!) and we haven't seen a lot of treatments work.

That said, I sent this along on the back end yesterday and hopefully Helen or Lisa can come on with better advice. Clean water and time is my interim recommendation, because you have already tossed so many meds at it. Epsom also wouldn't be amiss to continue, at 1/2 a teaspoon per ten gallons.

I hope your fish can pull through! It's possible, sometimes they surprise us and we have had some real miracle pearlscales on here. For encouragement look back on the first threads user Ree posted. Her pearlies had similar symptoms and were able to resolve with MUCH care. Good luck!

Chris here... Hi! Thank you... I have been using Epsom salt since I found the bubbles on him... 12 days now... The bubbles are almost completely gone.... This is one tough little fish... I thought for sure I would have lost him/her long before now... Since my injured Ranchcu was gone with in a day... :idont

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Chris, you've already done a lot and it's difficult to sort out a treatment plan when so much has transpired. The fact is that pearlscales rarely bounce back from illness - I'd say they're the most delicate variety of goldfish (and I keep bubble eyes and celestials, among others!) and we haven't seen a lot of treatments work.

That said, I sent this along on the back end yesterday and hopefully Helen or Lisa can come on with better advice. Clean water and time is my interim recommendation, because you have already tossed so many meds at it. Epsom also wouldn't be amiss to continue, at 1/2 a teaspoon per ten gallons.

I hope your fish can pull through! It's possible, sometimes they surprise us and we have had some real miracle pearlscales on here. For encouragement look back on the first threads user Ree posted. Her pearlies had similar symptoms and were able to resolve with MUCH care. Good luck!

Chris here... Hi! Thank you... I have been using Epsom salt since I found the bubbles on him... 12 days now... The bubbles are almost completely gone.... This is one tough little fish... I thought for sure I would have lost him/her long before now... Since my injured Ranchcu was gone with in a day... :idont

I'm totally pulling for you and this little fish!

I have a pearlscale who has had both eyes sucked out by an aggressive tank mate and multiple scales torn off in each attack and she survived, healed and is thriving ( in her own tank ) now. Keep that water clean and know you're doing your best! Love the name too btw. Perfect!

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Can you post some pics from above the fish so we can see the shape/extent of pineconing at this point?

 

 

PS  I have that same granite in my kids' bathroom.  :teehee

Hi Lisa! LOL!!! Yeah that granite is all over the kitchen... But it was here when we got the house.... :peeka

Here are your requested photos.... Would you like photos of the original damage??? It was bad.... :cry

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Chris here... Here is what the injury looked like just after it happened... :yikes

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