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Chris here... I woke up to a new problem this morning... While getting ready to feed my boys, I notice my little "Guy" is missing a chunk of his wen above his left eye!!! Talk about flipping out!!! I have tried to take some pictures of him but it's hard with one hand... As soon as my husbandis available il post better ones...He doesn't seem effected as yet... He ate well and swims well... I have him in a floating basket right now... Mr Potato Head was chasing him and lifting him, when I first noticed the damage... But that is usual behavior before feeding... Water tested this morning is: PH=8.2, ammonia = 0-.25, nitrite = 5, nitrate = 10-20.I have been fighting a nitrite spike for a month now... For information on that issue please see High Nitrites in the Water condition area of the forums...Please advise on what I should do about this.... Thanks so very much...Pictures to follow....<a href="http://s86.photobucket.com/user/thelaphams/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/2016-07/5147DD97-E68C-4FC6-93D3-9EE2CD63FE9F_zpssmmemq87.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/thelaphams/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/2016-07/5147DD97-E68C-4FC6-93D3-9EE2CD63FE9F_zpssmmemq87.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 5147DD97-E68C-4FC6-93D3-9EE2CD63FE9F_zpssmmemq87.jpg"/></a><a href="http://s86.photobucket.com/user/thelaphams/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/2016-07/61DF4747-D60A-433D-B1DB-71904435A268_zpsfb1tth8m.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/thelaphams/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/2016-07/61DF4747-D60A-433D-B1DB-71904435A268_zpsfb1tth8m.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 61DF4747-D60A-433D-B1DB-71904435A268_zpsfb1tth8m.jpg"/></a>

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Hi Chris,

 

i am finding difficult to see properly due to the calico colouring on the wen. if you think the site is clean, ie, no unusual pinkish or purplish tissue, no blood, then the fish will be ok to heal on it's own. if you do see any of the discolouration, then you will need to get clearer photos or a video. is it possible that this is an injury? perhaps the fish was caught somewhere or scraped it's wen on an ornament/gravel?

 

could you fill this out for us please? and provide a full tank photo.

 

Please copy & paste fill the following form and fill it out to the best of your ability when requesting help for Goldfish Problems:

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
      • * Water temperature?
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
      • * How often do you change the water and how much?
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?
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Chris here... Couple more pictures...<a href="http://s86.photobucket.com/user/thelaphams/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/2016-07/7187268A-867E-4D3A-A54F-92F4928B36EB_zpsiklfhdue.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/thelaphams/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/2016-07/7187268A-867E-4D3A-A54F-92F4928B36EB_zpsiklfhdue.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 7187268A-867E-4D3A-A54F-92F4928B36EB_zpsiklfhdue.jpg"/></a><a href="http://s86.photobucket.com/user/thelaphams/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/2016-07/EC305925-6DC7-46AF-BD5D-E0F51E11FCE8_zpspdperz5f.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/thelaphams/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/2016-07/EC305925-6DC7-46AF-BD5D-E0F51E11FCE8_zpspdperz5f.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo EC305925-6DC7-46AF-BD5D-E0F51E11FCE8_zpspdperz5f.jpg"/></a><a href="http://s86.photobucket.com/user/thelaphams/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/2016-07/3D52CD77-0D4E-4C38-9143-70F6925E914B_zpshqwnmewf.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/thelaphams/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/2016-07/3D52CD77-0D4E-4C38-9143-70F6925E914B_zpshqwnmewf.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 3D52CD77-0D4E-4C38-9143-70F6925E914B_zpshqwnmewf.jpg"/></a>Tank photo as requested <a href="http://s86.photobucket.com/user/thelaphams/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/18A2B182-6C80-4510-A847-2CD81DCDD375_zpsnsq9dgu6.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/thelaphams/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/18A2B182-6C80-4510-A847-2CD81DCDD375_zpsnsq9dgu6.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 18A2B182-6C80-4510-A847-2CD81DCDD375_zpsnsq9dgu6.jpg"/></a>

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thank you.. there doesn't seem to be any ulcerated tissue, nor does there seem to be anything in the tank to cause injury.. so i think it may just be from a standard infection (ie, other than a nasty ulcer)..

 

i am recommending tri-sulfa and metronidazole.

 

if you can remove the fish to a 10 gallon QT, and if you have either med on hand, you can begin treating.

 

let us know when you have set up the QT.

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also, given the param readings in your tank water with the ammonia and nitrites, you are going to be needing to do several waterchanges over the next few days, possibly a week. i am not sure if you had established a cycle with your filter media, but currently, it appears that either you haven't yet a cycle or you are experiencing a cycle bump.

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HEY Helen,

 

We could do the Silver in the tank :)

not at this stage, hun.. perhaps when a cycle is established and we get onto the anitbiotic treatments.. wen issues can move relatively fast.

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also, given the param readings in your tank water with the ammonia and nitrites, you are going to be needing to do several waterchanges over the next few days, possibly a week. i am not sure if you had established a cycle with your filter media, but currently, it appears that either you haven't yet a cycle or you are experiencing a cycle bump.

 

She has another thread going dealing with the nitrite . . .  .

 

What about a furan instead of the triple sulfa?  Furans are better for external issues.  :idont

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Chris here...

 

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)¬†0-.25
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)¬†5
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)¬†10-20
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap) ¬†.25
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap) ¬†0
    • * Nitrate level(Tap) ¬†0
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)¬†8.0 -8.2
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) ¬†8.2
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? ¬†API MasterTrst
      • * Water temperature? ¬†70.8F
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?¬†Since 4/15/16
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Marineland Biowheel Penguin 150-200 since 4/15/16 AC70 since 6/24
      • * How often do you change the water and how much? ¬†Daily due to nitrite spike ¬†75% to 100% depending on the nitrite readings
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Yesterday 100%
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? ¬†2, 4 inch Ranchu (adolescents)
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? ¬†Prime, Aquarium Salt (1tsp per 10 gal), Sachem Stress Guard
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? Repashy Soilent Green, Hikari Lionhead sinking pellets, New Life Spectrum Thera+A¬†
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? no
  • * Any medications added to the tank? no
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. ¬†Aquarium Salt 1tsp per 10 gallon since 6/12
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?¬†Wen damage, chunk of wen missing from above left eye... no bleeding... looking like 4 or 5 of his little popcorns were¬†plucked away...¬†
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? ¬†He is swimming well and ate well this morning. does not seem to be is¬†distress... ¬†His tank mate was pushing and lifting him this morning... ¬†but that behavior is¬†common ¬†at feeding time... ¬†more so lately that his tank mate has his first breeding stars and has been a little crazy since they¬†appear... ¬†6/17
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Chris here...  What ever you decide on as far as treatment I will have to go out and get...  newbie here...  Because it is Sunday my only shopping options will be petco and petsmart...  Please advise...  :)

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Chris here... I just finished a 75% WC ... I separated the boys... Before the WC, Mr Potato Head was aggressively pushing and lifting Guy... So I put "Guy" in our largest popcorn bowl with prime treated water... I haven't returned him to the tank yet.... I took a few more pictures.... Please advise on a path... I'm not sure what that is be cause of the back and forth discussion.... Thank you..

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i would immediately begin trisulfa with metronidazole.. and you can add epsom salt to that combination also. your fish is beginning to pinecone.

 

tri-sulfa and metronidazole as per manufacturer's instructions. epsom salt 1/4 teaspoon for every 10 gallons (dissolved) since i do not see much swelling.

 

i would be increasing the heat to 78F as well as adding a good airstone for additional aeration and good circulation of water.

 

feed lightly, wc 100% every other day dosing meds with every waterchange. 

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Lisa, no Furan with that pH, too high. Triple sulfa is a better choice. I agree with Helen's recs :)

 

Taryl, in this situation, if you feel that Oxytetracycline would work well in addition to the combination of meds advised, please make the recommendation and provide a link where the OP can purchase from.

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Hi Helen, I placed guy in a 20 gallon tub half full... Treated the water with prime, seachem stress guard and one tsp of aquarium salt... Ther is also an air stone in the tub... I went to petco and Petsmart to see what if any meds they had... All that was available was API Melafix and API General Cure... It's 8pm here in the states on the west coast so I'm toast on what I can do tonight... Tomorrow is a national holiday here in the states, but I can get the Epsom salts for sure but the rest I will have to call around and see if any aquarium stores are open and or have what you are prescribing... Monday may be an issue as well do to observance of the holiday... But I will try... Will also check Amazon, but that is at least a few days or more because of the holiday... It is a really terrible time to have something like this to happen... But I will do all that I can to get wat is needed in a hurry... :(

The Melafix states that it treats: bacterial infections, rapidly repairs damaged fins, ulcers, open wounds and promotes regrowth of damaged tissue and fins...

Active ingredient: Melaleuca 1.0%

Extracted from tea trees...

Guy is swimming well, eating well so far... That is what I have for now....

Thank you for your response....

Chris

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Lisa, no Furan with that pH, too high. Triple sulfa is a better choice. I agree with Helen's recs :)

Taryl, in this situation, if you feel that Oxytetracycline would work well in addition to the combination of meds advised, please make the recommendation and provide a link where the OP can purchase from.

In this case it would have to be either the metronidazole or the oxytetracycline, not both. And I'm not positive how it plays with the sulfas, but we do know metro doesn't interact with it. So either the metro/sulfa combo of the oxy flakes. It's up to the op.

http://www.angelsplus.com/FlakeMedAntibiotic.htm

It's the antibiotic II flake, what oxytetracycline :)

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Lisa, no Furan with that pH, too high. Triple sulfa is a better choice. I agree with Helen's recs :)

Taryl, in this situation, if you feel that Oxytetracycline would work well in addition to the combination of meds advised, please make the recommendation and provide a link where the OP can purchase from.

In this case it would have to be either the metronidazole or the oxytetracycline, not both. And I'm not positive how it plays with the sulfas, but we do know metro doesn't interact with it. So either the metro/sulfa combo of the oxy flakes. It's up to the op.http://www.angelsplus.com/FlakeMedAntibiotic.htm

It's the antibiotic II flake, what oxytetracycline :)

Chris here.... Hi Arctic Mama, I have looked at the link you provided... (Thank you!). I'm a newbie so please forgive my ignorance... This is food that I would feed Guy? If so what quantity should I order???

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The smallest size is still pretty big and it's a ten day course. I used it for multiple fish and still have over half the bag left. I ordered the three ounce size.

And remember you have a choice - if you'd be more comfortable with waterborne meds then get the metronidazole and triple sulfa (or metroplex and sulfaplex if you're ordering all Seachem brand). Either course of treatment is an option and both would benefit from all the other specifics Helen suggested.

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The smallest size is still pretty big and it's a ten day course. I used it for multiple fish and still have over half the bag left. I ordered the three ounce size.

And remember you have a choice - if you'd be more comfortable with waterborne meds then get the metronidazole and triple sulfa (or metroplex and sulfaplex if you're ordering all Seachem brand). Either course of treatment is an option and both would benefit from all the other specifics Helen suggested.

Chris here... I have no experience so your guidance is greatly appreciated... Is the meds that Helen prescribed also in food form or are they a water or topical treatment??? Would Amazon carry them if I can't find them locally???

Thank you!!!

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the meds that i recommend are to treat the water :)

 

in AU, we also treat Oxytetracycline direct to the water. however, in the US, we do not find it available in powder form, so the next best thing is to feed it.

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What she said! To make your cart minimum on angels plus I honestly think all their stuff is amazing, but I bother their kanamycin antibiotic food too and I'd love to try their dewormer foods as well but just haven't had a need in any of my tanks. All of those would be on my list to add cart bulk if needed. And of course their gorgeous angel fish ;)

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