210 Oranda 300 Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) Well.. once again Im experiencing dropsy.. (So yes Taryl, Im a horrible fishkeeper, Lol..jk ) I have 2 mailed lionheads that arrived in March 30, in what it seemed to be good conditions They're still in a 20G QT One is (still) in perfect conditions but the other black/bronze one started to get red pimples and excessive slime on the wen a few days after arrival so I notified the seller and he recommended a few (10 second) peroxide dips. First dip.. good Second dip.. a little more time to recoup and some sideways Third deep.. more time to recoup and lethargic On April 12 I noticed some prickle to the scales but didn't think any of it since I was told that ranchus sometimes experience that without being sick I sent today some pictures to the seller and he corroborates that it is an early stage of dropsy but cannot recommend anything specific since it could be caused by different internal problems.. pristine water along with antibac water treatment and/or medicated food is his suggestion Im doing the questionnaire in a few minutes.. Thanks! Here's what I've done so far Mar 30: Arrival, covered tank Mar 30 -1: De-stress days (just WC & double prime) Apr 2: 75%WC + 76g salt (.1%) Apr 3: add 76g salt (.2%) Apr 4: 100%WC + 228g salt (.3%) Apr 6: 75%WC + 170g salt (.3%) Apr 8: 75%WC + 170g salt Apr 10: 75%WC + 170g salt + 10sec peroxide dip (8:1 ratio) Apr 12: 75%WC + 170g salt + 10sec peroxide dip Apr 14: 75%WC + 170g salt Apr 16: 10sec peroxide dip prior to WC 100%WC + 76g salt (to reduce at .1%) + .2g prazi powder Apr 8: 75%WC + 56g salt (.1%) + .2g prazi powder Edited April 19, 2016 by 210 Oranda 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speckles 1,178 Posted April 19, 2016 What a beautiful fish! I hope they get better soon 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butterfly 485 Posted April 19, 2016 Wow. Gorgeous fish. Beyond gorgeous! Wishing you and he/she my best. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
210 Oranda 300 Posted April 19, 2016 What a beautiful fish! I hope they get better soon Wow. Gorgeous fish. Beyond gorgeous! Wishing you and he/she my best. Thank you ladies.. she's in fact a beauty.. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
210 Oranda 300 Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) Test Results for the Following: * Ammonia Level(Tank) 0- 0.5 * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0 * Nitrate level(Tank) 0 * Ammonia Level(Tap) 0 * Nitrite Level(Tap) 0 * Nitrate level(Tap) 5 * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8.4 * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.4 Other Required Info: * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API * Water temperature? Fluctuates from 72-75 * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 20G QT, 20days * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? sponge / pinguin150 floss only * How often do you change the water and how much? 75% Every other day (degas overnight to obtain 8.4ph) * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Today, Apr19 - 75% * How many fish in the tank and their size? 2 - 4.5" * What kind of water additives or conditioners? prime * What do you feed your fish and how often? twice, NLS pellet, soilent green gel, bloodworms * Any new fish added to the tank? * Any medications added to the tank? salt (0.3%) + prazi powder * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. See Above * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? pinecone scales and excessive white fuss on wen * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? lethargic * Meds? kanaplex, metroplex, bifuran, triplesufla, reg. salt, epsom, prazipro, aquaprazi (powder), kana flakes (food), metro flakes (food), colloidal silver 500 Edited April 19, 2016 by 210 Oranda 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjfromga 1,784 Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) Wow - sad. All this dropsy I'm pulling for you and her of course! She is a pretty little FLUFFMEISTER! I'm quite proud of you, I'm not sure I'd have not given up on the hobby after all of these unfortunate losses. Good on you for persevering. I'm beginning to think there's something really bad going on with your water, likely from the tap and likely invisible. All the losses, and all caused by dropsy is so sad. And all such pretty fish. Taryl has been trying to experiment with internal Oxytetracycline for dropsy... Hopefully she can tell you more about this. Edited April 19, 2016 by mjfromga 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arctic Mama 3,638 Posted April 19, 2016 You have them on hand so I'd recommend feeding the metro flakes along with Epsom salt in the water, 1 tsp per five gallons. Please do a two week course of the metro food and make sure the dose is adequate. In the meantime see this thread: http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/123981-testers-needed-new-medicated-fish-food-options/ Order the Antibiotic II food and we will try that if the metro flake doesn't get on top of it, okay? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
210 Oranda 300 Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) You have them on hand so I'd recommend feeding the metro flakes along with Epsom salt in the water, 1 tsp per five gallons. Please do a two week course of the metro food and make sure the dose is adequate. In the meantime see this thread: http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/123981-testers-needed-new-medicated-fish-food-options/ Order the Antibiotic II food and we will try that if the metro flake doesn't get on top of it, okay? Both flakes I have came from AngelsPlus.. However I have the Antibiotic I (gram-negative) I'll order the Antibiotic II (gram positive) right away Now.. if you recommend the NLS metro-pellet or anything else instead of the "Antiprotozoan" Metro flake I have, I can buy it tomorrow I have 2 lionheads in the QT and don't have a way to manage a 3rd tank as right now So.. Are we gonna be ok if we treat both fish with meds even if one "looks healthy".. ??? (I can move the healthy one tomorrow to main if needed) Edited April 19, 2016 by 210 Oranda 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arctic Mama 3,638 Posted April 19, 2016 Move the healthy one or move the sick one during feeding time so the healthy one doesn't eat those flakes. It's up to you. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
210 Oranda 300 Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) Move the healthy one or move the sick one during feeding time so the healthy one doesn't eat those flakes. It's up to you. Mmmmmm Questions.. Im in the middle of round 1 of praziquantel (w salt) but obviously dropsy is priority so.. I assume I gotta do 100%WC to remove prazi/salt and add epsom, right ?? But.. Even though the healthy fish won't be eating the metro food.. Is it ok to have it with Epsom for the next weeks ??? ______________________________________________________________ The reason I asked about the NLS metro food is because is pellet and won't make a mess as the flakes do.. The remain flakes I have are all crumble down so it will be harder for the fish to eat them before the active ingredient dissolves into the water and even if I move the healthy fish to a container while feeding the sick one.. there will be tiny flakes floating around when I bring the healthy one back so.. Edited April 19, 2016 by 210 Oranda 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites