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Any ideas?

www.imgur.com/a/sZpBQ

The fish in the picture is 8 inches.

It's on all my fish, nothing on the body, just on all fins.l and tail.

Guys, please, any help? if you know a LFS, can you please ask around, in 3 days it's gone from one spot to a hundred.

Excess slime coat? Fungus?

It's in 3 tanks..

I've added aquarium salt at the lowest advised concentration to see if it helps overnight in two tanks. The main tank is untouched.

This is not my fish, but this is exactly like it except 100X worse.

http://www.Not Allowed/fishforum/attachments/goldfish/66447d1330991601-goldfish-has-small-white-spot-tailfin-bluey.jpg

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From what I can tell it is ich however it would be helpful if you could fill out the D&D form to further the mods approach to what treatment will work and why it has occurred

Test Results for the Following:

* Ammonia Level(Tank)

* Nitrite Level(Tank)

* Nitrate level(Tank)

* Ammonia Level(Tap)

* Nitrite Level(Tap)

* Nitrate level(Tap)

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

Other Required Info:

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?

* Water temperature?

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?

* How often do you change the water and how much?

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?

* How many fish in the tank and their size?

* What kind of water additives or conditioners?

* What do you feed your fish and how often?

* Any new fish added to the tank?

* Any medications added to the tank?

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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I'm sorry to hear about your fish. Please fill out the form in the order listed. That allows the mods and disease assistants to better understand your tank system.

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* Ammonia Level(Tank) - 0

* Nitrite Level(Tank) - 0

* Nitrate level(Tank) - 15

* Nitrite Level(Tap) - 0

* Nitrate level(Tap) - 5

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.5

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API Master Kit

* Water temperature? 68

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? Years.. well established, 100L, 450L

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? FX6, U4

* How often do you change the water and how much? Every 3-4 days, between 25% - 50%

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Yesterday 40%

* How many fish in the tank and their size? 2 in 450L, 1 in 100L

* What kind of water additives or conditioners? StressCoat+

* What do you feed your fish and how often? Once a day

* Any new fish added to the tank? Yes

* Any medications added to the tank? Salt, 1 TBSP per 5 Gallon in 100L

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Yes, spots on all fish in different tanks.

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? One fish in 100L is sleepy

 

 

 
Guys, it's way bigger than what normally is classed for ich?
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That is not ich, and Goldfishfanforever had no business making a diagnosis.  He needs to read this thread.

 

What you see are patches of thickened slime coat on the fins.  This usually results from an irritation from parasites or a water condition.  Did these spots appear suddenly?  How long ago did you first observe them?   Please take a picture of one of your fish showing the fin spots.

 

Relax a bit.  This does not sound life-threatening.

 

Please answer these questions.  We need this information.

 

 Ph Level, Tap 

What do you feed your fish and how often?

 

How many fish in the tank and their size? 2 in 450L, 1 in 100L.   ​Please explain further.  Your sig says you have four goldfish.  In your first post,  you said you have three tanks.  Please give the variety of each fish and your estimate of its standard length -- which means the length from the tip of the nose to the base of the tail fin, not including the tail fin.

 

 

We need to know more about this:

 

Any new fish added to the tank? Yes

 

 How long ago did you add this (these) fish?

 

Did you quarantine the fish before adding it to the tank?  If so, how long?

 

Did you see any fin spots on the old fish before adding the new fish?

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That is not ich, and Goldfishfanforever had no business making a diagnosis.  He needs to read this thread.

Sorry Shakaho I didn't mean to try and diagnose although the picture did look like ich in the first post I knew it wasn't their fish and wasn't able to look at their picture

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That is not ich, and Goldfishfanforever had no business making a diagnosis.

What you see are patches of thickened slime coat on the fins. This usually results from an irritation from parasites or a water condition. Did these spots appear suddenly? How long ago did you first observe them? Please take a picture of one of your fish showing the fin spots.

Relax a bit. This does not sound life-threatening.

Please answer these questions. We need this information.

Ph Level, Tap [/size]

What do you feed your fish and how often?[/size]

How many fish in the tank and their size? 2 in 450L, 1 in 100L. ​Please explain further. Your sig says you have four goldfish. In your first post, you said you have three tanks. Please give the variety of each fish and your estimate of its standard length -- which means the length from the tip of the nose to the base of the tail fin, not including the tail fin.

We need to know more about this:

Any new fish added to the tank? Yes

How long ago did you add this (these) fish?

Did you quarantine the fish before adding it to the tank? If so, how long?

Did you see any fin spots on the old fish before adding the new fish?

Alright, they are fed Tetra Pond Stick.

Recently, around the same time I started to see these spots, I started feeding them Tetra Gold Japan and started using StressCoat+ when changing the water. Normally fed every second day twice.

I have a three year old Oranda and Butterfly Telescope in my main tank that is 450L, Oranda is around 5 inches without his tail 8 inches with, Butterfly is just over 3 inches or so without his tail.

Then I have a new Calico Oranda in a 100L tank, she's pretty much the same size as the other Oranda with a slightly longer tail.

No spots before buying new fish, unless I never noticed them.

Then I have a small Oranda that's around 2 inches body and tail, I saw the spot on her, thought nothing of it. She was in my main tank for 2 days before being chased by my Butterfly to the point of her tail being ripped, so I removed her and placed her in her original tank.

She was quarantined for 6 weeks, seemed healthy enough.

Ph from tap is 7.5 or higher. Today my Ph in tank is lower than 7.

I'll get pictures later and video, you can't see the spots easy at daytime. I have this at the moment only.

www.imgur.com/a/sZpBQ

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That is not ich, and Goldfishfanforever had no business making a diagnosis. He needs to read this thread.

Sorry Shakaho I didn't mean to try and diagnose although the picture did look like ich in the first post I knew it wasn't their fish and wasn't able to look at their picture

Does this help?

www.imgur.com/a/sZpBQ

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You showed that picture in the first post, right?  Then you showed a picture of a fish with more fin spots and said your fish were 100X worse, so I assumed the number of spots had increased.  That's why I asked for current pictures.

 

Plaques like this on fins occur often, since fins -- rather like fingernails -- take a real beating.  Few adult long-finned goldfish have perfect fins.

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Agreed. I looked at the picture last night and couldn't really see anything but some basic, normal fin blotchiness and slime coat. My first thought was to ask when you last treated for flukes as sometimes they and other parasites can cause that sort of symptom across tanks.

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Agreed. I looked at the picture last night and couldn't really see anything but some basic, normal fin blotchiness and slime coat. My first thought was to ask when you last treated for flukes as sometimes they and other parasites can cause that sort of symptom across tanks.

Never treated for flukes.

I added salt to two tank, the smaller tanks.

I'll get pictures up in an hour as daylight is going, the problem is, my two big fishes never had any spots before, and now every fish has the same spots and it's increased massively over the last week.

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Because I'm an idiot.. Heh, I've changed from StressCoat to plain Tap Conditioner, I should add the Butterfly seems untouched, he doesn't have this problem.

Maybe to do with the fact he's pure black and thus these spots maybe don't show?

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Better and clearer pictures in a small container with bright light would help. Please do this for all the affected fish. It's really hard to give advice without being able to clearly see what you're concerned about on each affected animal, but at the very least I would like to see those before offering final treatment advice.

We will very likely prazi but there may be more needing to be done depending on what they look like.

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Better and clearer pictures in a small container with bright light would help. Please do this for all the affected fish. It's really hard to give advice without being able to clearly see what you're concerned about on each affected animal, but at the very least I would like to see those before offering final treatment advice.

We will very likely prazi but there may be more needing to be done depending on what they look like.

It's so tough getting these spots on camera.. It's nearly impossible as you can only see them under specific lighting..

What I do know is that it's spreading fast on every single fish, on all fins and tail except the Butterfly, which I'm assuming is due to him not being transparent like them.

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No.  The fish do not have ich.

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Better and clearer pictures in a small container with bright light would help. Please do this for all the affected fish. It's really hard to give advice without being able to clearly see what you're concerned about on each affected animal, but at the very least I would like to see those before offering final treatment advice.

We will very likely prazi but there may be more needing to be done depending on what they look like.

It's so tough getting these spots on camera.. It's nearly impossible as you can only see them under specific lighting..

What I do know is that it's spreading fast on every single fish, on all fins and tail except the Butterfly, which I'm assuming is due to him not being transparent like them.

 

 

Put the fish into a small bowl and try and get a photo that way. you can hold the fish's tail fins so we can see better :)

 

Yes that isnt ich at all :o

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Better and clearer pictures in a small container with bright light would help. Please do this for all the affected fish. It's really hard to give advice without being able to clearly see what you're concerned about on each affected animal, but at the very least I would like to see those before offering final treatment advice.

We will very likely prazi but there may be more needing to be done depending on what they look like.

It's so tough getting these spots on camera.. It's nearly impossible as you can only see them under specific lighting..

What I do know is that it's spreading fast on every single fish, on all fins and tail except the Butterfly, which I'm assuming is due to him not being transparent like them.

Put the fish into a small bowl and try and get a photo that way. you can hold the fish's tail fins so we can see better :)

Yes that isnt ich at all :o

Thank you.

I'll try, the best way to describe it is dots maybe double the size of sugar grains that look raised in places. It's the same in all tanks, on the new Orandas and my 3 year old Oranda. I don't really see it on the Telescope, maybe in one or two places on his belly, maybe.

As a last ditch effort, I'm going to purchase Waterlife Protozin, I will not use it, but it was recommended by a few people as it targets more than white spot ie fungus etc. It's local so can simply return, but I'm in the UK so it's hard finding it and luckily foundone place out of 30+

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Have you ever treated them for flukes?

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Guys, the best way is for me to essentially photoshop what it looks like I think. Give me an hour.

I've picked up Waterlife Protozin and I have Interpet Anti Whitespot, both treat more than Whitespot.

The difference from the packaging is.

Waterlife: Malachite Green 545mg/l, Copper Sulphate 94mg/l

Interpet: Malachite Green 47mg per 100ml, Formaldehyde 5000mg per 100ml

Hope it helps.. Protozin is highly praised?

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I'm in the UK.. Can't buy it here unless I call out a vet and there's none in the whole County that treat fish..

Would you totally rule out the Protozin and Interpet based on Ingredients?

Looking at Prazipro, people are comparing it to Protozin.

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I've been watching my Mature Oranda and he's definitely yawning more today, plus I remember my Telescope did have a cloudy eye last week.

Just looking up flukes and thought I'd take notice.

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