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Rosco's showing signs of Popeye

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  • Woke up today and Rosco's staring back at me with globes as eyes and fat lips. Ugh... Popeye! I knew I should have taken the time to do my regular maintenance, that I ALWAYS do, during these busy last couple of weeks. Nevertheless, I didn't and now he is like this. My go pro is charging right now so I'll get you guys a vid soon. 

I've already moved him to a 15 gal hospital with an air stone and added 1.5 tsp epsom salt, triple sulfa, and API general cure (contains 250 mg Metronidazole). He is eating just fine, a little hesitant but I think that is just because he is in a new environment. He bottom sits when I'm not around (I'm sure the pressure behind his eyes is giving him a serious migraine) but when I come over he makes an effort to swim around. Dorsal fin is sky high so I at least know he is sorta feeling okay (he usually tucks it if he isn't feeling well). I added him to the hospital tank about an hour ago. Idk if it is just me wanting him to get better but I feel like the swelling in his face has gone down just slightly. 

 

His lady friend, Storm, is doing fine in the main tank. No signs of popeye but I don't know if it is contagious. Is it?

 

Please help me fix Rosco. I was thinking about making medicated food but Idk where to start. I have the Metro that I can mix with the gel food but I don't know how much. Each packet contain 250 mg of Metro. What dose should I give him, if any? 

 

On hand I have:

Epsom Salt, API General Cure, Metro, Tetracycline, and Triple Sulfa.

 

I've heard that many people have success with oxytetracycline. I know that it is the bigger and better improved version of tetracycline. I wanted to ask you guys about it before I was to add that to the hospital. I don't wanna go antibiotic crazy but i know that popeye leads to dropsy. Dropsy's tricky because it you don't throw all your stones at it you might not get to later on but you don't want to compromise the fish's health either. 

 

Any help is greatly appreciated. 

  • Test Results for the Following:

    • * Ammonia Level(Tank) Unknown because I changed the water as soon as I saw his bulging eyes
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank) Unknown because I changed the water as soon as I saw his bulging eyes
    • * Nitrate level(Tank) Unknown because I changed the water as soon as I saw his bulging eyes. I'm sure it was high because it's been two weeks since water changes and I haven't had my pothos in the water like I usually do to suck up the nitrates. 

       

    • * Ammonia Level(Tap) 0.25 ppm
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap) 0 ppm
    • * Nitrate level(Tap) 10 ppm 
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) Ranges from 7- 7.6 depending on CO2 
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)  8.6 because of supersaturated gases, drops to 7.6 after 24 hrs of degassing
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?  API Test Kit, drops
      • * Water temperature?  72 F - 74 F
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?  75 G, running for 1.5 yrs but just changed the soil about 3 months ago 
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? 2 SunSun 304B @ 525 mph
      • * How often do you change the water and how much? Once a week, 75%
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Before the water change today, I changed the water 2 weeks ago. I NEVER do that and of course it bit me in the butt this time. I'm always diligent but life took over these past weeks and I was unable to do the regular maintenance that I usually do.
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? Orandas, both about 6" sl
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Seachem Prime, ferts for the plants
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? Give the brand, type of food (sinking/floating pellets, gel food, steamed vegetable, etc.), and how frequently you feed each. Hand Fed Repashy (gel food), 2-3 grams daily, split into 2 portions. Diet also includes Nori and peas as a supplement
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? None
  • * Any medications added to the tank? None to the main. In the hospital 1.5 tsp epsom salt, triple sulfa, and API general cure (contains 250 mg Metronidazole).  
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.  Only Prazi
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Bulging of the eyes and swelling in the nose/mouth area
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Eating, no crazy like he usually does. Has recently started bottom sitting but will swim up when I approach the hospital tank. 

 

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Hope Rosco's eye feels better.

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Don't beat yourself up, we do the best we can. :hug  Hang in there, Rosco!

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Ok here's the video taken about 3 hrs after I added him to the hospital tank. He is looking much better. The swelling in his face and eyes has gone down considerably. His eyes were probably about three times the size of what is seen in the video. He actually looked like an Oranda with telescope eyes (kinda cute in a horrific way).  He still does have a small ring bulging around his eyes which I tried to get in the video. He is more active with his swimming and bottom-sitting less. His ravenous eating habits are back and now he has gone to sleep with a full belly. Sorry about the lighting... best I could do with what I had.

 

http://vid1025.photobucket.com/albums/y317/Miss__Goldie/GOPR0015_zpskxxlsfdn.mp4

 

Edit: I wanted to add my thanks toward you all for your support and love.  :hug

Edited by Miss_Goldie

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Hope the improvement continues!

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OMG Rosco is the cutest fish ever :wub: !

I hope he is feeling a lot better soon :ill

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It's your call. If he improves in quarantine with just salt and heat you're probably good to go, or you can do a metronidazole course if you suspect an infection - any clamping, blanched color, or bottom sitting and I'd recommend treating now and not later. How is he looking to you at the moment?

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Thank you for the complements!

 

He is looking fine to me right now. His face and eyes are normal but he's bottom sitting more than usual. No clamping or balanced color. I'm going to continue his the treatment just to be on the safe side (I spent too much money on him and of course I love him too).  

 

Right now he is still in the Epsom, Triple Sulfa, and Metro treatment. You only mentioned the Metro, should I take him off the Triple Sulfa/Epsom? I am also not adding heat. Should I?

 

Hypothetically speaking, say he doesn't have an infection. Would the high nitrates cause such swelling in his face?

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Keep it all going if it is working - I missed that you were currently dosing those as I checked the board in the middle of cooking. Apologies for my lack of care :)

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No worries... I realize you have a life outside of Koko's.  :)

 

What do you think about high nitrates causing the fish's face to swell, if he doesn't have popeye/dropsy?

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It seems you have the right treatment, since he shows improvement.  Your other fish won't "catch" popeye from this one, but has been subjected to the same water quality issues.  Since you have already corrected this he has little to no risk.

 

I've never heard of high nitrate causing swelling, and don't believe it does.

Edited by shakaho

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Day 6 and he looks completely normal. How long should I keep treating?

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Keep going until day 10, then let us know how it is going. The mods will let you know then if it is time to stop any of the antibiotics or epsom salt.

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So I never came back for an update because at day 9/10 he was stellar. Swimming like usual, really looking like himself. I moved him back to the main tank and now a week later he is showing symptoms again. Although it is not as severe this time I can tell he isn't as robust as he usually is.  One eye is slightly popped and he is bottom sitting occasionally. I did an immediate water change and I've moved him back to the hospital with just the epsom salt.

 

What should I do next?  

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Sorry to hear the swollen eye and bottom sitting has returned. Can you post tank water parameters before a water change? Also post tap water parameters and write up summary of treatment (meds used and length of treatment). Also include the meds you have available and post a picture. Thanks!

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Unfortunately I did not take the water parameters before I changed it. The tap parameters are:

 

Ammonia 0.25 ppm

Nitrite 0 ppm

Nitrate 10 ppm

 

This is typical for my tap and hasn't changed. The ph is usually high around 8.6 until it degasses. 

 

On him so far I have used API Triple Sulfa, API General Cure, and epsom salt for a total of 9 days (almost 10) I had ran out of the triple sulfa and he was like his usual self so I moved him to the main tank. 

 

Right now on hand I have API General Cure and epsom salt. 

 

I will say that I know my nitrates get high over the course of a week. On my take I have a bypass that leads my water to a pot of pothos and then back to the tank. I'm working on the pots remodel so it has been off for the past weeks. So that might be what is contributing to the high nitrates (no pothos to suck them up).  

 

Here are pictures. The white eye is the one that is slightly puffier. Now the picture is took as a different angle than the red eye so it looks even more swollen than it really is. In the white eye picture you can see his other eye in the corner so thats how far they stick out. What I'm looking is the ring around his eye. It just seems more thick and puffier than the other. You can actually probably see the ring more with the red eye pic.

 

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1b_ivgd0ISYRm1xYnYwYlBQUjQ

 

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1b_ivgd0ISYc1lnWks1VGhKbkU

 

Photobucket was giving me trouble so i couldn't put the pic right in the board.

 

Edit: Right now he is just in Epsom salt and it has reduced the swelling by about half IMO

Edited by Miss_Goldie

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Little update... day 3 with just epsom salt

 

Swelling in his eyes has gone done. There looks like there is a small ring around him eye but I don't know if that is just how his eye is. At this moment I feel like I might be seeing things. This is partly due to his bottom sitting when I'm not in front of the tank. But when I come to the tank he gets up and starts moving around. Maybe he is just bored. After he eats he got energy and swims around does his usual. 

 

Now I'm starting to wonder if his eye swelling is not caused be a bacteria infection. It seems like just the Epsom salt fixes him right up. I'm confused.

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I've reported this to the mods. Stay tuned...

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Can we have a video or photos please :)

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Can we have a video or photos please :)

 

Koko, pics are available on post #16.

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Okay I would like you to treat him with Epsom salt (which you are) and "metronidazole" :)

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