jmetzger72 6,976 Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) I think most experts agree that Metronidazole food works better than water borne Metro, so I want to try Ken's Metro pellets in combination with Prazi. But, that's another thread Edited April 5, 2016 by Jared 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arctic Mama 3,624 Posted April 5, 2016 Yes but oxytetracycline and metro are 2 out of the 3 meds in MetroMeds. I'd like to see how a combo of those 2 work . . . I think if the oxy works well we can talk about doing two types but there isn't another commercial food I've seen that had them precombined and isn't a floating pellet. It's a lot more to ask people to buy two foods and combine them than one inexpensive option, you know what I mean? I'm open to doing all sorts of combos and finding the best but I just want data on this one first - I think it may be sensible to sell them combined under resale later but unless we are compounding and extruding the food ourselves we are in a tight spot. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie 48 Posted April 8, 2016 Hi all. Not sure if this food counts but I just picked up NLS Hex Shield. Read the ingredients and it has metronidazole. My black ranchu looks to have puffy eyes...not sure if it's the start of popeye. Let me know what you think and if it's info you could use. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arctic Mama 3,624 Posted April 9, 2016 Hi all. Not sure if this food counts but I just picked up NLS Hex Shield. Read the ingredients and it has metronidazole. My black ranchu looks to have puffy eyes...not sure if it's the start of popeye. Let me know what you think and if it's info you could use. Hi Eddie. If you haven't already, please start a new thread for your ranchu and we can address the best course of action there, where we have more details 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie 48 Posted April 9, 2016 Thanks Taryl. It was more a post to see if you considered the Hex as medicated food and if you wanted any info in regards to the product. To see if the results were needed if positive. I should've been more clear. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arctic Mama 3,624 Posted April 9, 2016 I haven't had much experience with NLS's medicated line but the main active ingredients are Epsom salt, imidazole (an anti-fungal), and metronidazole, in that order. The volume of medication and duration of feeding leaves me worried about the efficacy, not to mention the overall dose and suspected volume of ingredients (insufficient). It could be better than nothing, but more highly medicated small batch foods would be my go to. Also, I am testing for something specific in this case, whether the food borne oxytetracycline is sufficient to handle dropsy on its own. It might not be bad to have on hand but for freshness alone I wouldn't trust it in an emergency case. For a slow wasting parasite? Maaaaybe, but I'd be more likely to use leva or paraguard. I'm not sure it is good enough at any one thing to consider using but if enough members have used and liked it we may consider a test? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arctic Mama 3,624 Posted April 9, 2016 My stuff came yesterday, by the way. The 3 oz bag is surprisingly big! I ordered the kanamycin food as well for consideration in tough infections, so we shall see how these perform alone and together. I have a fish showing long term lethargy and floating issues I'm going to dose with the oxy - he has that look or slightly puffiness that often comes before true dropsy. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie 48 Posted April 9, 2016 Ok very cool. Gotcha. Glad you all are doing this. It'll be an invaluable tool for us gf keepers! Ed <')))>< 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmetzger72 6,976 Posted April 9, 2016 i got my oxytetracycline sinking pellets from Ken's fish earlier this week. 1 lb came in two 1/2 tightly sealed bags which will help keep it fresh. The pellets are a good size and not at all crumbly in the bag. I need to contact him regarding the feeding instructions as there are none on the bag. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjfromga 1,784 Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) I got my Ken's pellets today. I've gotta say, they're a big ugly pellet. Rhonda and Abanayabar cannot eat a pellet this large. Nericon doesn't like big pellets so would only eat a few. Soaking medicated food seems to render it useless, so I don't even see how I could administer these. I can't viably break and soaking them to meticulously cut them will ruin the medication. I could only give these to Slate, and as Slate is the strongest fish I own, I doubt she'd be the first to need them. They are also quite filler loaded, which tends to make my Rhonda float. I'm actually not sure there's a point in me keeping these... Edited April 9, 2016 by mjfromga 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmetzger72 6,976 Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) I got my Ken's pellets today. I've gotta say, they're a big ugly pellet. Rhonda and Abanayabar cannot eat a pellet this large. Nericon doesn't like big pellets so would only eat a few. Soaking medicated food seems to render it useless, so I don't even see how I could administer these. I can't viably break and soaking them to meticulously cut them will ruin the medication. I could only give these to Slate, and as Slate is the strongest fish I own, I doubt she'd be the first to need them. They are also quite filler loaded, which tends to make my Rhonda float. I'm actually not sure there's a point in me keeping these... These are the same size as Metro Meds. I've seen plenty of small fish gobble pellets of this size up. You can also chop them in half Edited April 9, 2016 by Jared 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjfromga 1,784 Posted April 9, 2016 I've tried to feed NLS Thera A large fish pellets to them, and they can't eat them. I'm pretty sure they're the same size as these pellets. Keep in mind that Rhonda is 22 grams and Abanayabar is 10 grams. So they're more of tiny fish, not small ones. I don't see how I can cut them... They're too small to cut. Also, as for MetroMeds, I got my first two goldies last October, I would know nothing of MetroMeds. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmetzger72 6,976 Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) I've tried to feed NLS Thera A large fish pellets to them, and they can't eat them. I'm pretty sure they're the same size as these pellets. Keep in mind that Rhonda is 22 grams and Abanayabar is 10 grams. So they're more of tiny fish, not small ones. I don't see how I can cut them... They're too small to cut. Also, as for MetroMeds, I got my first two goldies last October, I would know nothing of MetroMeds. Try crushing them and then offering them in a feeding ring. The metro meds comment was for everyone reading as a point of reference Edited April 10, 2016 by Jared 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjfromga 1,784 Posted April 10, 2016 Gotcha via the Metro Meds comment. What is a feeding ring for fish? Where can I get one? (Going to try and Google now, excuse my noobery). 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmetzger72 6,976 Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) Gotcha via the Metro Meds comment. What is a feeding ring for fish? Where can I get one? (Going to try and Google now, excuse my noobery). http://www.amazon.com/Lee%60s-Aquarium-Cone-Worm-Feeder/dp/B002DZE9T8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460249820&sr=8-1&keywords=lees+feeding+ring The ring will keep the crushed medicated pellets or flakes from going all over the tank. The fish can be trained to find their food in the same spot daily. This increases the chance of the fish eating all the food quickly before it gets lost or too waterlogged. The cone is removable and is good for offering frozen bloodworms. Edited April 10, 2016 by Jared 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjfromga 1,784 Posted April 10, 2016 Awesome. I'm headed to Petco tomorrow. If I can't find it there, I'll order one. Thanks! 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites