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Hi Everyone,

I'm relatively new to keeping goldfish and I need help diagnosing Fred! I have been treating for Ick for the last few days but his spots have not changed at all. I have had mollies in the past get Ick and their white spots showed signs of treatment by the next day. Do goldfish take longer because they are much larger? I would appreciate any advice or suggestions.

Thank you!

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Please copy & paste fill the following form and fill it out to the best of your ability when requesting help for Goldfish Problems:

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
      • * Water temperature?
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
      • * How often do you change the water and how much?
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?


Once all the information is in we can help you.. I can say that isnt Ich .... :(

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Test Results for the Following:

* Ammonia Level(Tank) unknown.. Do I need a different test? If so, which do you recommend?

* Nitrite Level(Tank) = 0

* Nitrate level(Tank) = 20

* Ammonia Level(Tap) = n/a

* Nitrite Level(Tap) = 0

* Nitrate level(Tap) = 0

* Ph Level, Tank = 7

KH = 120

GH = 129

* Ph Level, KH, GH of tap = same as above

Other Required Info:

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API 5 in 1

* Water temperature? 68

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 5 5.5G running for 8 months

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Topfin power filter

* How often do you change the water and how much? 75% every week

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 3 days 75%

* How many fish in the tank and their size? 1 goldfish 2-3in body

* What kind of water additives or conditioners? Topfin h2o conditioner, stresszyme, bacteria

* What do you feed your fish and how often? 2/day enough food for 3min eating and none left over

* Any new fish added to the tank? No

* Any medications added to the tank? Ick before. Today I tried api aquarium salt

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

Ick every 2 days for a week. I added aquarium salt today.

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

Persistent white raised spots on tail fin only. Was just two but now 6. Veins showing in tail fin as well.

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Doesn't eat as much or seem as energetic. Floats slightly sideways.

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Welcome to Kokos!  You should read our guidelines for healthy goldfish.    :)

 

We recommend the API Freshwater Master Kit.  It may seem expensive, but it provides more than 800 tests (a few years worth).  Furthermore, it has much more accuracy than any of the test strips.  You should be able to get this kit at your local fish store or you can buy it online.

 

Of all the things we test, ammonia has the highest toxicity, so you must test for it. 

 

Please get Seachem Prime water conditioner.  It may appear expensive, but the high concentration means that on a per gallon of water treated basis it has one of the lowest prices.  It has the ability to make ammonia nontoxic among other advantages.

 

Your large water changes have saved your fish.  I'd like to recommend that you consider changing 50% of the water every other day until you can get a bigger home for the little guy.  This will keep the water quality more uniformly high.

Edited by Koko

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The spots on the tail indicate irritated spots, probably from a fluke infestation.  We use praziquantel, a very safe medication, to treat for flukes.  You may be able to find this at your local fish store, if not you can order it. 

 

How much salt do you have in the tank?

 

I recommend we do some salt dips followed by two weeks of prazi treatment.  Don't worry, we will walk you through everything.

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I put 1 tablespoon of salt in the 5.5 gal tank. I am setting up a 55 gal tank but I didn't want to move Fred until he was better. I will go look for some prazi. I have pima in case it's fungal but I'll hold off. Thank you for the help!

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Do you have other fish for the 55 gallon?

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Wow! Fred gets a mansion.  If you moved him (and his filter) into the 55 and put in just 20 gallons of water, you will find treating him easier, particularly since medication dosages often say how much to use per 10 gallons.  Fred would have a huge swimming space and get lots of exercise

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Let's keep him in the little tank until you get the prazi.  However I want to raise the salt concentration in the tank to 0.3%.  Let's do it like this:

 

Put,5 teaspoons of aquarium salt in a clean 5 gallon bucket.  Fill with water and add water conditioner.  Let the salt dissolve.  You now have 0.1% salt in the bucket.

 

Change all the water in Fred's tank using the 0.1% salt water in the bucket.  You can scoop Fred out and put him in the bucket, empty the tank, and then put the new water and Fred back in the tank.

 

Tonight, remove a gallon or so of tank water and dissolve 5 teaspoons of aquarium salt in it.  Put the water back in the tank, which now contains 0.2% salt (and Fred, of course).

 

Tomorrow morning, repeat this action, to increase the salt concentration to 0.3%.  

 

We will keep Fred at 0.3% salt until ready to do the prazi treatment.  When you do a water change, add one tablespoon of salt to each gallon of new water.  I do this in a bucket so the salt has dissolved before it goes in the tank.

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I raised the salt concentration to 0.1% yesterday and I got the prazi today. I dosed the tank according to the instructions on the bottle. Should I still raise the salt level in the tank? Also, the top of his tail fin is fraying and I may be paranoid but his mouth looks puffy? He was perfectly healthy before now..

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What brand of prazi did you get?  Prazipro?

 

Do you still have him in the little tank?   

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OK.  You got a bit ahead of me, but no problem. 

 

First, read the instructions for a salt dip and ask any questions you have about it.  The salt dip strips away the slime coat killing and taking some parasites with it and exposing the rest to medication.  It may also help the mouth.  Don't worry about the tail.  The fraying doesn't indicate a serious problem and may get worse before it gets better. 

 

Then, assuming no bad reactions from Fred, we will do a salt dip using 1% salt, two days later a salt dip using 2% salt, and two days after that a dip using 3% salt. Report his response during and after each salt dip.

 

After the third salt dip, we will put 20 gallons of clean water (no salt) in the big tank, and move Fred into it.  We will give him a 2 day break from the medication, which he should appreciate.  Fish often pout during prazi treatment.  This may be because dying flukes cause discomfort, but it also might be because the stuff tastes awful and they have no escape from it.

 

After the break, we will do a second round of prazi with no salt:

 

Do a large water change in the big tank emptying the filter and siphoning any debris from the bottom.  Refill the tank to 20 gallons and add prazi.  Treat for a week.

 

Then empty the tank, rinse the bottom and fill it with clean, non-medicated water and put Fred in.

 

If he still has a problem with the mouth and fins, we can address it at this point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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