Bottom Sitting During&After flukes treatment

[lizam 173]

Hi,

 

My favourite guy, Sir Elton, a white oranda I got in July of last year has not been well.  I have been very stressed by this.  I have completed 4 rounds prazi.  I had an outbreak in my other tank.  All other fish are completely fine and completed treatment without issue. Elton started bottom sitting about two weeks or so before I started treating for flukes.

 

Test Results for the Following:

* Ammonia Level Tank 0

* Nitrite Level  0

* Nitrate level 0

* Ammonia Level 0

* Nitrite Level 0

* Nitrate level 0

* Ph Level, Tank  8.2

* Ph Level, Tap 8,2

 

 

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API liquid test kit.

 

* Water temperature? 72

 

* Tank size (how many gals.) 29 gallons that's been running for about 7 months.

 

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Aquaclear 70 and Cobalt EXT

 

* How often do you change the water and how much? 80-90%  2X a week.

 

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 90% yesterday

 

* How many fish in the tank and their size? 2 fish, about Elton 3.5 inch body but about 8.5 with tail. a smaller oranda 2 inch (moving out so Elton can be treated in tank if necessary)

 

* What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime

 

* What do you feed your fish and how often? Repshy Solient Green, NLS Algea Max, NLS Goldfish, occasionally peas and seaweed

 

* Any new fish added to the tank? No

 

* Any medications added to the tank? yes see below, fluke treatment

 

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. Prazi 3 weeks and week 3 one 4 day treatment of Tetra Parasite Guard (ran out of Prazi and was waiting for it to come in...all that was available locally).  This last treatment of Prazi I used salt.  Approximately 2 1/2 months ago or so Elton got injured on a filter intake and there was a bit of blood where a scale got damaged.  It appeared pretty superficial so I did water changes and added melafix and primafix.  No issues.  In fact,  his very long tail fins looked better than I have seen or even when I got him.    There was blotchy light red marks that I now realize are more than just veins because his fins have been clear since that treatment. 

 

 * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? had some slime coat on his wen.

 

Elton has been bottom sitting, especially when lights are out.  He eats fine and moves about when I get near the tank.  He will even bottom sit occasionally when lights are on.

 

I know some goldfish bottom sit during treatment but I am pretty sure there is more to it, especially since I think the flukes should be under control now.  Could there be something bacterial?

 

I wanted him moved to a 75 gallon about 2 months ago but unfortunately that has been another stressor.  I live in small town BC and one was ordered, then lost..then the store changed owners.  Thankfully we are going to the city later this week and  I will get one there.

 

Anyway, I am going to move his tank mate out and do a big water change to get the last bit of prazi and salt out.

 

I am pretty sure I have the following meds:

• Paragaurd
• Kanaplex
• Metroplex
• Triple Sulfa
• Salt
• Primafix
• Melafix
• Prazi Pro

Thanks

Edited February 13, 2016 by lizam

[lizam 173]

This is Elton last week.  Sorry if its big...

 

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[shakaho 6,312]

Individual fish chose different positions for sleeping, including sitting on the bottom.  Unless he shows other symptoms or bottom sits often with the light on, I wouldn't worry about this.

 

I can't see the picture.

[Helen 8,511]

i am unable to see the picture, also.

[lizam 173]

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[DawnMichele 6,045]

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Gorgeous!!!!

[lizam 173]

Individual fish chose different positions for sleeping, including sitting on the bottom.  Unless he shows other symptoms or bottom sits often with the light on, I wouldn't worry about this.

 

I can't see the picture.

He never bottom sat at all before is my concern.  He has been very lethargic, during fluke treatment and during the periods in between sessions.   I guess I will just keep watching him over the next couple of days.  

[shakaho 6,312]

Let's try a diet.  Limit him to a couple of peas and some leafy greens for three days.  Overfeeding can lead to lethargy and bottom sitting in an otherwise healthy fish.

[jenzaar 11,605]

Oh he is gorgeous!! :o

 

I hope the diet works. I know that if I skip on veggie meals or just go too heavy for a few days, my one guy sits until I give some time to let everything get moving.

[lizam 173]

Let's try a diet.  Limit him to a couple of peas and some leafy greens for three days.  Overfeeding can lead to lethargy and bottom sitting in an otherwise healthy fish.

Okay thank you.  I will try it

[LisaCGold 1,691]

Such a beautiful fish! I hope he poops out his bottom sitting

[fantailfan1 26,742]

Is he sitting right on the bottom or hovering like in the pic?  Fins clamped?    A video of the suspicious behavior might help . . .

[lizam 173]

Is he sitting right on the bottom or hovering like in the pic?  Fins clamped?    A video of the suspicious behavior might help . . .

He actually hasn't bottom sat since last night.    My fingers are crossed...I have had the light off to watch him.  He hovers mid tank but that is normal when he rests.  He never has been super active.  I may have panicked a bit but it's been a very LOooonnng month of flukes treatment and watching him suffer.  I'm just going to try the diet, keep him alone and his water as perfect as possible.  I think like us or even like my dogs some are just more sensitive than others.  The female, Layla, I got at the same time is like a big tank, a very, very sweet one but just solid.  Nothing gets her down

[lizam 173]

I was reading a post by Cynthia from EastCoast Ranchu on Instagram and she uses 1/8 Epson Salt per 5 Gallon and fasts her fish for a day as part of her regular care.  Does anyone do this?  

[Helen 8,511]

I was reading a post by Cynthia from EastCoast Ranchu on Instagram and she uses 1/8 Epson Salt per 5 Gallon and fasts her fish for a day as part of her regular care.  Does anyone do this?  

we don't use anything for regular care other than water conditioners and/or buffers. if a fish is well, we feed peas. that is usually enough to speed up their pooping process. if a fish is displaying signs of constipation, we then consider adding epsom salt either in the water of a treatment tank, or fed.

 

that said, there are aquarists out there with heavily planted tanks who use epsom salt for their plants regularly (may be for hardening the water), ie, it's in the tank all the time. what dose? i am not sure. all i know is that the presence of Epsom Salt in a tank with goldfish without any problem.

 

we try to steer away from methods like this more so for the fact that the salt/drug has maximum effect at minimum dose, when it is required to use for medicinal purposes.

[lizam 173]

 

I was reading a post by Cynthia from EastCoast Ranchu on Instagram and she uses 1/8 Epson Salt per 5 Gallon and fasts her fish for a day as part of her regular care.  Does anyone do this?  

we don't use anything for regular care other than water conditioners and/or buffers. if a fish is well, we feed peas. that is usually enough to speed up their pooping process. if a fish is displaying signs of constipation, we then consider adding epsom salt either in the water of a treatment tank, or fed.

 

that said, there are aquarists out there with heavily planted tanks who use epsom salt for their plants regularly (may be for hardening the water), ie, it's in the tank all the time. what dose? i am not sure. all i know is that the presence of Epsom Salt in a tank with goldfish without any problem.

 

we try to steer away from methods like this more so for the fact that the salt/drug has maximum effect at minimum dose, when it is required to use for medicinal purposes.

 

Makes sense. Thanks Helen   I was just curious if anyone heard of this.  I have heard of using it in dry fertilization. And Cynthia admitted in her post that it wasn't a very popular practice.

[lizam 173]

Sir Elton seems back to himself.  There has been no bottom sitting.  Thank you all very much...I guess I panicked a bit but he really had gone through a rough time with flukes and the treatment.  I lost some sleep and was worried I would awake a couple times to him gone.  So happy that didn't happen 

 

So glad this site is here with all the knowledgeable people.  I read a lot of posts about flukes in the past month and half on here and it helped for sure.

[Helen 8,511]

great news

[Arctic Mama 3,627]

Yay! Sometimes they just get sulky/off with treatment, but if it doesn't persist more than a few days I wouldn't be concerned. I'm glad he is back to normal for you.

[lizam 173]

great news

Thank you

 

Yay! Sometimes they just get sulky/off with treatment, but if it doesn't persist more than a few days I wouldn't be concerned. I'm glad he is back to normal for you.

I am so glad!   Thanks

[fantailfan1 26,742]