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Just giving my two cents here. I had two fish that reacted similar to yours to the salt baths - immediately going sideways and gasping for air. This was even only in a 1% salt bath. It turned out to be a bacterial infection, that had no outer visible signs other than being inactive and floating in the tank. Sadly I didn't catch this and both died. Salt baths can affect the kidneys, so I would be a bit careful with those. But glad that your fish are doing well :D

So sorry your fish reacted this way and died :(

I read that many fish do not make it all the way through their first salt dip and have to be removed before the time is up. My Slate did a 3% salt bath before a Metroplex regimen. She did list sideways a bit but she righted herself each time. Towards the VERY end (maybe 30-45 seconds left), I did need to "thwang" the bucket slightly but this got her to right herself and she made it. Now Slate has proven herself to be extrodinarily strong (suffered a horrible tumor on her head weighing 13 grams, took well over 10 minutes with appropriate clove oil to pass out and still never truly went etc) so maybe she isn't typical, but most fish are pretty tough. You certainly don't want to keep doing the salt baths as it strips much of their slime coat and of course in general, they REALLY NEED IT, but they're pretty safe for most fish. Fish that are tiny, are weaker breeds such as Toaskin or Pearlscale, or in an extremely weakened state may not fare as well, though. I have read of salt burns too, but not sure of the legitimacy of those claims.

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So I wasn't sure if I needed to start a new thread or not...

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Since this post had left off... Stripes' super thick white scaley slime coat had came back and I noticed some yawnin/flashing starting with all of them. Since I had gotten new plants back in march when all this started happening... even though I dipped them, I treated the tank with 3 treatments (one every 48 hours) of tetra parasite guard, waited a week and treated them again on Saturday.

The morning after the first parasite guard treatment Stripes started looking like total crap,super clamped, swimming too buoyant and weak, his heavy thick slime coat started bulging and coming off in chunks, angry raw red areas began showing all over his body especially in "crease" areas where fins meet body etc. And the little white guy named "pinky" was definitely swimming weakly.

By the second treatment 48 hours later pinky was fine and active no other visable effects. Stripes' reaction continued to do the same but there were even more severe raw areas showing and still more slime coat chunks peeling. He was however gaining strength and swimming strongly by this point though.

For the third treatment Stripes hardly reacted at all. There were a few light red areas show but not much, he was swimming well, unclamped, active and eating. (Between treatments Stripes was getting salt dips as well)

Lily's eye was still the exact same with the liquid looking blister on the one side, Choji and Ino was as usual completely healthy and acting like nothing is going on through all of it. Stripes was now acting like a champ. Pinky had doubled his size and was growing well.

I spent the next week on our "vacation" helping build the stand and remodel our family room for their new 120 gallon home. During this week I was so busy I just threw food and checked on them first thing in the morning but that was it.

Come Saturday it was time for the week after follow up treatment of the tetra parasite guard, I saw minimal affects from it on any of the fish. Then late Saturday night I had to steal the light off the tank to move to the new 120.

New tank was filled yesterday and sat up ready for them... I was just giving time for the parasite guard to finish before I moved them into the new tank...

Then late last night when I went to feed them before bed I brought in a crappy light and put on their tank and saw

Lily's eye blister is now whiteish in color and getting a bit bigger with a lumpy quality to it. Neither my husband or I have enough feeling in our hands to tell if it feels soft and squishy or firm. I noticed she also had a fine thin strip blowing in and out of her mouth when she was eating.

Also the little white guy Pinky developed an open sore/ulcer type spot near his tail base. It was raised, red and angry at the base, yellow bits bulging out, with a white cottony top on it.

Between Saturday afternoon when i put the weekly follow up of tetra parasite guard treatment and late last night on Sunday both of these fish developed these symptoms.

Again as usual Choji and Ino and fine.

Stripes was a little clamped for awhile during the treatment but not anymore and seems fine.

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I already spot treated Pinky's sore with peroxide.

But I'm just not sure what the next step should be. I'm afraid it's culminarious (SP)

The new 120 is ready for them to go in today but do I treat them in the 55 first so I don't infect the new tank?

Do I treat them all or do I put Choji and Ino and Stripes in the new tank and only treat lily and pinky?

What do I treat them with? Lily has already spent two weeks in metro and epsom with no results and the parasite guard has metro in it as well.

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Treatment and symptom summary

I think I got the dates right

January 30 began 2 weeks of prazipro and .03 salt.

Beginning Symptoms for treatment were red veins in fins and puffy edges on fins. All Fish acted normal.

During this treatment time period, 2 Fish Lily and Stripes became very weak getting stuck on filter intakes and unable to swim. Stripes developed red patches on stomach. All 4 Fish were very badly clamped and bottom sitting.

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Feb 14 some fish started showing beginning bulging of eyes and Treatment was switched to Tetracycline for one week.

During this week all Fish improved dramatically and by the end of the week became stronger and active with good appetites. One Fish Stripes however developed a thick white film coating during the Tetracycline treatment on his head that very slowly spread across his head.

He was observed for a few weeks while it seemed to fade.

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March 5, I discover my cycle broke from the Tetracycline, I do every other day water changes and tests until it gets caught up.

March 5 Lily also develops an eye blister overnight that looks like a small fluid filled blister on only one side of one eye. She is placed into a quarantine for two weeks with metro and Epson salt. No change occurs at all.

March 8 Stripes begans getting salt dips because the white film comes back.

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March 22 Lily goes back to main tank, no change in eye blister, Stripes responded well to salt dips, and Pinky the new little white fish comes out of quarantine (where he had a week and prazi and a week of general cure antibiotics) and joing the tank.

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March 29, I notice an increase of yawning, some flashing, and Stripes white film comes back a third time.

I treat first dose with tetra parasite guard

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March 29 Stripes and Pinky are weak. Stripes has red angry patches in joint areas and peeling slime coat, bottom sitting, clamped.

March 30- Pinky and others are fine, Lily is the same, Stripes looks terrible but is stronger and not clamped,

March 31 - I administer second tetra parasite guard treatment. 4 Fish have no reaction. Lily's eye still the same. Stripes looks worse appearance wise, more slime coat chunking off, more red angry areas, acts a bit weak.

April 1 stripes regains his strength again, red patches fade, I salt dip him again.

April 2 administer 3rd parasite guard treatment.

All Fish show almost no reaction. Stripes shows some slight redness nothing else, acts healthy, his slime coat stabalized, tail was left a bit frayed but doing well.

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April 9 administer week after follow up tetra parasite guard treatment.

All Fish seem fine, no reaction.

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April 10 that night I find Lily's eye blister changes, becomes bigger, looks more white and lumpy. I see thin string looks like a strip of slime coat breathing in and out of her mouth.

Pinky develops a sore, raised, red at base, yellowish protruding, white fuzzy tip.

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hun,, can you answer the following?:

 

  • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
  • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
  • * Nitrate level(Tank)
  • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
  • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
  • * Nitrate level(Tap)
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
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Tank levels, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, 10 nitrate, pH 7.4.I'll get tap in a few. Photos are above Shako's post. Here is a video as well.

Don't be alarmed by the shrill scream at the beginning the kiddo was a little excited

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Tap levels, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, 0 nitrate, 6.6 ph

My pH in my tap fluctuates, I have well water with a softener. I try to schedule water changes on the same day every week 2 days after the softener has ran but since it's a well sometimes it's just unpredictable.

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I would like you to get some Colloidal silver for that red spot. If you can :) (50ppm min )

 

Then I would like you to place two drops on that red spot for 3 days. :) Drop it on the fish and hold the fish for a min if you can. If not we can do a silver bath :)

 

In fact we can do both fish in a bath :)

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Sorry one more question, can I put the fish in the new 120 now? Or just put the healthy ones in? Or do I need to treat the whole current tank?

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Can you happen to recommend where to buy it? I'm having issues finding it.

 

Any health foods store or on Amazon

 

http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Path-Silver-Wings-Supplement/dp/B0049YYYJG?ie=UTF8&keywords=colloidal%20silver&qid=1460573203&ref_=sr_1_50_a_it&sr=8-50

 

 

We are going to bath then so where they are they can stay and we will take them out into a 1 gallon bowl or 2 gallon, place tank water in there. Then you will place drops of silver in there (how much depends on the ppm) and let them sit for about 5 mins :)

Then place them back :)

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OK it's ordered, it will be here Friday.

Thank you very much.

So it's OK to move them all into the new big tank already without them infecting it? I'm very anxious to get them more room.

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OK it's ordered, it will be here Friday.

Thank you very much.

So it's OK to move them all into the new big tank already without them infecting it? I'm very anxious to get them more room.

 

The eye Im not to sure whats going on there, but the tail fin isnt going to infect anyone. Looks like a wound :(

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OK yeah, those were my thoughts too. I wanted some confirmation though.

If I had my guess with Lily's eye... I'm prone to think maybe a tumor from bad breeding. I knew she was a cull when I got her, hence the flipped Gill plates and the badly kinked tail. She has also always been weak and puny compared to the others.

But I want to do anything I can to help her.

Thank you so much Koko. The silver should be here today so I'll start the baths.

Oh and the sore on Pinky's tail is almost gone now :)

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Good luck. I have Slate, a throwaway Walmart Ryukin with a fused tail, messed up scales, weird coloring, and hideous tumors. I get the bad breeding thing on a personal level but tumors can grow on even well bred fish :( Your girl is still very pretty.

PS - Loving the AHHHHHH in the video!

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Sorry hun...

 

I would do 10 drops of it. For the first round. Then if no reaction go to 20 drops. Do this once a day for a 5 days. :)

 

Let me know how they are doing along the way :)

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