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It's been retested, my cycle is shot.

I'm refilling from the first change now, planning to do a second. I pulled 2 more sponges out of another tank and put in.

I specifically tested 1 and 3 days after the meds to make sure my cycle was OK and it was fine both times.

I guess it took awhile. My poor babies.

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oh no :(

 

well, at least we know that something is not right and we can work towards rectifying the problem. the popeye fish will still need to be isolated and treated accordingly. you can start the epsom before the meds arrive.

 

i will let the water experts know, so they can drop by and offer their support. hopefully it's a cycle bump and perhaps the cycle stands a chance of recovering.

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I hope so, there was some nitrates present so it shouldn't be completely broken, I didn't get an exact number since as soon as I saw the ammonia coming through I started changing the water and didn't pay much attention to the rest of the test, hopefully the two more sponges will seed it decently as well.

For lily, do I want to isolate her now or wait until the meds come in? Amazon says Wednesday but it usually comes quicker

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i would like some pictures of her eye(s) and a top view photo. if you can manage that in the main tank, no problem, otherwise please catch her in a tub and take the photos whilst she is in there.

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Here's the pics, video will be a few minutes. She isn't pineconed thank God but as you can see she has an eye pocket.

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they don't look too bad, hun. lets see what we can do for Lily and the others should perk up a gradually as the water improves. just be aware that they may show some extra blackening on their fins/body. that will be a result from ammonia burns, which they will recover from since black is a sign of healing.

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i am not sure, re the cycle.. just do them until someone more knowledgeable is available to guide you. i have reported the situation to the rest of the moderating team for their attention. 

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You have a water problem, and we absolutely must have daily accurate readings of the parameters to help you.    The tank/tap pHs you reported in post #55 " My tap is testing at 6.6 pH.  My tank with meds is at 7.8-8 ."  could easily have produced pH shock and multiple symptoms after a large water change.

 

If you cannot do water tests, please get your husband to do them, daily before any water change.  If that isn't possible, take tank and tap samples to your local fish/pet store.  We need tank and tap ammonia, nitrite, and pH, plus tap nitrate on the first day.  Then tank ammonia, nitrite and pH daily, and tap ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH weekly.  If the pH of tap and tank differ more than 0.5 pH units, please don't do a water change without consulting us.

 

We should have told you to test and report parameters at least weekly, but your large frequent water changes have protected your fish from the ammonia.

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Thanks Shakaho, I can get my husband to do the tests when I can't no problem, I just have to wait till he's home from work.

Today's readings

Tap

Ammonia, 0 nitrite 0, nitrate 0, pH around 6.8 -7

Tank

Ammonia 1.0, nitrite 0, nitrate 2.5, pH 7.8.

My first instinct is to water change but the pH is a big gap. What do you suggest?

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I'm sorry.  I didn't see your post yesterday.  I think I was already sleeping.  Do you have Prime? 

 

Please do a 50% water change and test again.

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Refilling the tank now, it ended up being more than 50% because I was distracted with the tests. Around 75.

The results from before the water change just now was.

Ammonia .5

Nitrite 0

Nitrate 2.5

PH 7.8

This doesn't make sense to me.... The last test was yesterday morning and the only change I'm seeing is a drop in ammonia but no raise in nitrates or anything.... In 30 hours?

Should I test again after the tank refills from the change?

Sorry for the late response I was in therapy with the little one earlier.

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I looks like my cycle might be starting to get stronger, but I have also drastically cut down feeding until the cycle catches up too. If this is the wrong thing to do please let me know.

Also Lily's antibiotics should be here tomorrow should I pull her out and start the Epsom salt and antibiotics in qt tomorrow or wait until the water issue is solved?

Also Stripes has a small white spot on his head that appeared the day I found the cycle broken. It's a small spot that has remained same size etc.. and not fuzzy, just looks like someone touched his head with some white-out.

Does he need the antibiotics as well or wait and see if it clears up on its own with the cycle?

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I'll let Helen address the medications.  The parameters look good.  Continue the water changes until they look perfect.  Then we can gradually reduce the amount or frequency of the changes.

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OK sounds good, so I'll just keep doing them daily for now and reporting the test results. Thank you for your help.

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Oh and it's a bit late now but after rereading the last few responses I realized I forgot to answer you about prime, yes I do have prime, I use it for my water conditioner.

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sorry, i was not around. it's been super busy for me these past few days.

 

yes, start medicating Lily in her hospital tank. and re Stripes, this is the one that had the white patches before? ie, when you were using the medicines? if that's the case, consider if you want to do the salt dips and follow the previously posted instructions (when your husband is home to help) :)

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